Srila Giri Maharaja – “Mauritius is also cheating.”

Note: some names and places found in the original email have been changed to protect the innocent.

Date: 2/10/19

Dear Sriman Chinna Krishna Das,

Please accept my humble dandavat pranamas.

I apologize for being so late with my reply to your last email. I hope you will find my response to be “better late than never.” I try my best to answer all my correspondence. Unfortunately I am not always able to do so in a timely manner. Your email directs us to some points of great interest. As a result, I shall attempt to address them below.

I am very thankful to you for this very beautiful response to my letter.

It is very kind of you to say.

What will 2,500 Rupees buy?

Let me tell you maharaj how things happen in India .
I shall relate to you a small story of mine . My wife is from U.P India . She formely lived at Subji Purna ,a small town which is a little distance away from Barley Vana. Before I got married to her in 2005 ,I asked to her whether she know driving ,to which she told me not ,but she can manage a little .I told her that she better had her Licence from India because in Mauritius she will definitely have much difficulty because of Language expression difficulty and strick driving test etc . Then she told me not to worry she will do the necessary in just two days . I kept wondering how she could do this in just two days . Then after marriage when I asked her about her licence ,I was shocked and surprised to a brand new licence which she obtained from the Authority Concern only a day prior to the talk we had .Maharaj – No test appointment , no driving knowledge ,nothing – she had only to disburse Rs 2500 Indian rupees under Table and the things were done . Then in course of time ,I came to understand that there is not a single department in India where one cannot find fraud and corruption .These practices is common thing in India.

Under illusion we live in the world of the cheaters and the cheated:

When Lord Krsna ordered King Mucukunda to ask a benediction from Him, the King was joyful, and he immediately remembered the prediction of Garga Muni, who had foretold long before that in the twenty-eighth millennium of Vaivasvata Manu, Lord Krsna would appear on this planet. As soon as he remembered this prediction, he understood that the Supreme Person, Narayana, was present before Him as Lord Krsna. He immediately fell down at His lotus feet and began to pray as follows (highlighting added).

“My dear Lord, O Supreme Personality of Godhead, I can understand that all living entities on this planet are illusioned by Your external energy and enamored of the illusory satisfaction of sense gratification. Being fully engaged in illusory activities, they are reluctant to worship Your lotus feet, and because they are unaware of the benefits of surrendering unto Your lotus feet, they are subjected to various miserable conditions of material existence. They are foolishly attached to so-called society, friendship and love, which merely produce different kinds of miseries. Illusioned by Your external energy, everyone, whether man or woman, is attached to this material existence, and all are engaged in cheating one another in a great society of the cheaters and the cheated. These foolish persons, not knowing how fortunate they are to have obtained this human form of life, are reluctant to worship Your lotus feet. By the influence of Your external energy, they are attached to the glare of material activities, to so-called society, friendship and love, like dumb animals that have fallen into a dark well.”

—Bhaktivedanta Swami, Krishna Book, Chap. 51: The Deliverance of Mucukunda

Prabhu, I am very familiar with the situation you describe in India. It is especially prominent in all “developing countries.” But this cheating propensity is present within us all and is one of the markers of a conditioned soul. Only the pure devotees are free from this covering of the pure jiva.

As you relate the story, all involved are cheaters or deceivers on some level. The saga began with your wife who cheated the government, which represents all the people of India. She began the process by offering a large sum of currency to an agent of the government to provide services to her to which she was not entitled, legally. Of course, what she offered in payment, Indian Rupees, represents the government’s cheating of the people via the issuance of a fiat currency which is manipulated in various ways to favor the government, with little or no regard as to how such favoritism cheats the citizens who can never be sure of the actual — if any — value of said currency (highlighting added):

According to Srimad-Bhagavatam, gold encourages falsity, intoxication, prostitution, envy and enmity. Even a gold-standard exchange and currency is bad. Gold-standard currency is based on falsehood because the currency is not on a par with the reserved gold. The basic principle is falsity because currency notes are issued in value beyond that of the actual reserved gold. This artificial inflation of currency by the authorities encourages prostitution of the state economy. The price of commodities becomes artificially inflated because of bad money, or artificial currency notes. Bad money drives away good money. Instead of paper currency, actual gold coins should be used for exchange, and this will stop the prostitution of gold. Gold ornaments for women may be allowed by control, not by quality but by quantity. This will discourage lust, envy and enmity. When there is actual gold currency in the form of coins, the influence of gold in producing falsity, prostitution, etc., will automatically cease. There will be no need of an anticorruption ministry for another term of prostitution and falsity of purpose.

— Bhaktivedanta Swami, SB 1.17.39, Purport

Of course, the agent of the government cheated the government by taking money for his personal use, an act of contempt towards his official station, duties and function.

I came to understand that there is not a single department in India where one cannot find fraud and corruption .These practices is common thing in India.

I have little doubt about this. Therefore, I believe the agent who acted illegally did so knowing he would face no retribution as a part of the money he received from your wife was likely passed up the chain of authority as far as needed to allow such practices to continue unabated.

There was even no concern for the citizens who would be put to great risk should your wife exercise her new driving privilege with no training in the use of a few thousand pound machine that can cause death and severe injury to others even when guided by a trained and experienced driver.

Mauritius is cheating by accepting the license given to your wife without its own validation of her driving qualifications. If you know the cheating method by which your wife obtained her license, authorities in Mauritius must also know of such practices and do nothing to protect its citizens from such unqualified drivers.

Lastly, you are cheating because you have been told how your wife obtained her license and have, I presume, done nothing to alert the proper authorities.

Your example is one of an infinite number that go to substantiate the adage: “The modern world is a society of the cheaters and the cheated.”

Once a friend of mine came to visit Mauritius and stayed at my place .Nowadays he had got his Green card in America and work in a petrol Pump in New York . He was carrying two passport of his own , one bearing the name Giriraja Sankirtana and one Madhusudana Sankirtana [two different names] and both were genuinely bought from the American Embassy Agent in Delhi .Holding these passports my hand shivered.

Society of the cheaters and the cheated—

My Guru Maharaja once said, “The modern world is a society of the cheaters and the cheated.” Unfortunately, the cheated are eulogizing the cheaters, and the small cheaters are worshiping the great cheaters. Suppose a flock of asses comes and eulogizes me, saying, “Oh, you are Jagad-guru.” What is the value of their praise? But if a gentleman or learned man gives praise, his words have some value. Generally, however, the persons who are praising and those who are being praised are both ignorant. As the Vedas put it, samstutah purusah pasuh: “A big animal is being praised by a small animal.”

Compassion
Srila Prabhupada: The law is cheating, medical science is cheating, and the government is cheating. Top government officials are charged with taking bribes. If the governor takes bribes and the constable takes bribes, then where is the good society? People elect the leader who promises them happiness. But since that happiness is maya [or illusion], he can never deliver it, and society simply becomes filled with cheaters. Since people are actually after this illusory happiness, however, they continue to elect such unscrupulous leaders time and time again.

The position of a Vaisnava is to take compassion on all these ignorant people. The great Vaisnava Prahlada Maharaja once prayed to the Lord, “My Lord, as far as I am concerned, I have no problems. My consciousness is always absorbed in Your very powerful transcendental activities, and therefore I have understood things clearly. But I am deeply concerned for these rascals who are engaged in activities for illusory happiness.” A Vaisnava thinks only about how people can become happy. He knows that they are vainly searching after something that will never come to be. For fifty or sixty years people search after illusory happiness, but then they must die without completing the work and without knowing what will happen after death. Actually, their position is like that of an animal, because an animal also does not know what happens to him after death. The animal does not know the value of life, nor why he has come here. By the influence of maya, he simply eats, sleeps, mates, defends and dies. That’s all. Throughout their lives the ignorant animals — and the animalistic men — greatly endeavor to do these five things only: eat, sleep, mate, defend and die. Therefore the business of a Vaisnava is to instruct people that God exists, that we are His servants, and that we can enjoy an eternally blissful life serving Him and developing our love for Him.

—Bhaktivedanta Swami, Life Comes from Life, Chap. 7: The Seventh Morning Walk: May 8, 1973, The Cheaters and the Cheated

A brahman or a devotee with knowledge of the stories you related to me may be inclined to run to the authorities to set things right. I would not be hasty to do that, considering “’tis folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss” and the following:

Because Prahlāda had become a devotee, they considered him to be contaminated by bad intelligence and to be the worst descendant in the family of demons. As it is said, where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise. In a society or family in which everyone is a demon, for someone to become a Vaiṣṇava is certainly folly. Thus Prahlāda Mahārāja was charged with bad intelligence because he was among demons, including his teachers, who were supposedly brāhmaṇas.

The members of our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement are in a position similar to that of Prahlāda Mahārāja. All over the world, ninety-nine percent of the people are godless demons, and therefore our preaching of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, following in the footsteps of Prahlāda Mahārāja, is always hampered by many impediments. Because of their fault of being devotees, the American boys who have sacrificed everything for preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness are charged with being members of the CIA. Moreover, the seminal brāhmaṇas in India, who say that one can become a brāhmaṇa only if born in a brāhmaṇa family, charge us with ruining the Hindu system of religion.

— Bhaktivedanta Swami, SB 7.5.16, Purport

Justice is not a commodity to be found in this world. When it does appear it is due to the intervention of higher authorities such as Lord Yamaraja, who knows all the facts, not just those presented to an officer of the law or a court. The karma attached to a jiva’s sojourn within the material world is unseen and unknowable by us. Therefore, reward and punishment often appear to be meted out in a very arbitrary way. Indeed, in the world of relativity, truth and justice are unmoored from the stationary fixture known as Absolute Truth or Reality, the mooring we seek attachment to. “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.” is well worth our consideration before taking any action, for which we expect to be rewarded with a favorable result from the mundane environment.

For several years I served as a book distributor and observed first hand, and in stark terms, the arbitrary nature of justice in this world. It was not too uncommon that someone would steal a book from me or abuse me in some fashion. Due to my conditioning I was accustomed to report such things to the police with the expectation they would take action against the wrong doer. I don’t recall a single instance wherein that occurred. In some cases I was even punished for reporting the incident. As a result I came to understand my seeming mistreatment to be the result of my own karma and not an act of injustice committed against me. The thinking we are advised to adopt is this: tat te ‘nukampāṁ su-samīkṣamāṇo bhuñjāna evātma-kṛtaṁ vipākam:

A pure devotee is never disturbed in any circumstances. Nor is he envious of anyone. Nor does a devotee become his enemy’s enemy; he thinks, “This person is acting as my enemy due to my own past misdeeds. So it is better to suffer than to protest.” In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (10.14.8) it is stated: tat te ‘nukampāṁ su-samīkṣamāṇo bhuñjāna evātma-kṛtaṁ vipākam. Whenever a devotee is in distress or has fallen into difficulty, he thinks that it is the Lord’s mercy upon him. He thinks, “Thanks to my past misdeeds I should suffer far, far greater than I am suffering now. So it is by the mercy of the Supreme Lord that I am not getting all the punishment I am due. I am just getting a little, by the mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Therefore he is always calm, quiet and patient, despite many distressful conditions. A devotee is also always kind to everyone, even to his enemy.

— Bhaktivedanta Swami, Bg 12.13, Bg 12.14, Bg 12.13-14, Purport

Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakura was accused by a zamindar of stealing his pond. The police took the accusation seriously enough to investigate the matter. This caused great anxiety for Srila Saraswati Thakura. After a time, with the intervention of a barrister on his behalf, he was exonerated but this example illustrates the queer nature of the mundane environment.

So Maharaj , Corruption and frauds were current thing 13 yrs ago and before . If our Dear Gurudev was aware about these things , he would never allow these infiltraters in his mission.

I don’t agree with your conclusion: “If our Dear Gurudev was aware about these things , he would never allow these infiltraters in his mission.”

The position of a Vaisnava is to take compassion on all these ignorant people. The great Vaisnava Prahlada Maharaja once prayed to the Lord, “My Lord, as far as I am concerned, I have no problems. My consciousness is always absorbed in Your very powerful transcendental activities, and therefore I have understood things clearly. But I am deeply concerned for these rascals who are engaged in activities for illusory happiness.” A Vaisnava thinks only about how people can become happy. He knows that they are vainly searching after something that will never come to be. For fifty or sixty years people search after illusory happiness, but then they must die without completing the work and without knowing what will happen after death. Actually, their position is like that of an animal, because an animal also does not know what happens to him after death. The animal does not know the value of life, nor why he has come here. By the influence of maya, he simply eats, sleeps, mates, defends and dies. That’s all. Throughout their lives the ignorant animals — and the animalistic men — greatly endeavor to do these five things only: eat, sleep, mate, defend and die. Therefore the business of a Vaisnava is to instruct people that God exists, that we are His servants, and that we can enjoy an eternally blissful life serving Him and developing our love for Him.

— Bhaktivedanta Swami, Life Comes from Life, Chap. 7: The Seventh Morning Walk: May 8, 1973, The Cheaters and the Cheated

Mercy is above justice.

Which is higher the law of man or the law of God? When there is a difference between the two, which should be followed? The Vaishnava guru is not concerned with the laws of men except so far as they affect his missionary work of dispensing mercy to the fallen souls. His concern is with the laws of God and, above all: yare dekha tare kaha krishna upadesha.

On what basis would the guru turn away the “infiltrator” who has come to surrender to the agent of the Supreme Lord as the only possible means of escape from the cycle of samsara and advancement towards the goal of love of God?

Anyhow ,these are things of the past . But lets talk about the present . I had met some disciples of Acharya Maharaj who received Diksha via Internet and his Mala was posted to him .I want you express your views on this matter ? Is it acceptable or the disciple must be physically present in front of his Gurudev ? . According to Manu Samhita or Whatever Scriptures ,Maharaj , What is the reaction or punishment for those who do Guru Aparadha ? What kind of Guru Aparadha that Exist ? What for those who Kill Guru and Become Guru ? Thanks you Maharaj .

Srila Saraswati Thakura once gave initiation via telephone. So long as there is a tangible connection to a bonafide Vaishnava guru, he may delegate his spiritual power and authority by any means he chooses. Through his Last Will and Testament Srila Govinda Maharaja delegated his authority to those who would be his successors. He did not even feel it necessary to tell each of them personally of this decision. Likewise, a guru may delegate others to serve as his rtviks who may then carry out the whole matter of initiations or other delegated responsibilities on his behalf, just as an ambassador may carry out many official acts or policies of a country. The guru disciple relationship is a spiritual one. Therefore, we should try to see past any apparent mundane impediments to that connection.

According to Manu Samhita or Whatever Scriptures ,Maharaj , What is the reaction or punishment for those who do Guru Aparadha ?

I don’t know Manu Samhita. The reaction for guru aparadha is the same as that for Vaishnava aparadha.

yadi vaiṣṇava-aparādha uṭhe hātī mātā
upāḍe vā chiṇḍe, tāra śukhi’ yāya pātā

”If the devotee commits an offense at the feet of a Vaiṣṇava while cultivating the creeper of devotional service in the material world, his offense is compared to a mad elephant that uproots the creeper and breaks it. In this way the leaves of the creeper are dried up.

— Bhaktivedanta Swami, Cc., Madhya 19.156

What kind of Guru Aparadha that Exist ?

To disobey the order of the spiritual master is guru aparadha. It is guru aparadha to consider the spiritual master to be an ordinary man. It is guru aparadha to engage in “ruthless oppression against” his disciples. A very severe type of guru aparadha is to preach philosophy and precepts that contradict the very teachings of one’s guru.

…But I think when he began the ruthless oppression against us, we’re innocent people, and he began to oppress us in a ruthless way, and Prabhupada withdrew from him. And when he withdrew, then what to [is] left? He had no other alternative but to go against Prabhupada. He became some sahujiya, his previous family culture, sahujiyaism. He came from sahujiya family, and because his offensive, repression towards us who are innocent followers of Prabhupada, he had, Prabhupada withdraw from him. That is my finding.

— Srila Sridhara Maharaja, 83.07.25.D

Here is a summary of important points that are developed more fully in the text and purports to Srila Swami Maharaja’s Chaitanya-charitamrta, Adi Lila, Texts 8-12:

CC Ādi 12.9
keha ta’ ācārya ājñāya, keha ta’ svatantra
sva-mata kalpanā kare daiva-paratantra

Synonyms:
keha ta’ — some; ācārya — the spiritual master; ājñāya — upon His order; keha ta’ — some; sva-tantra — independently; sva-mata — their own opinions; kalpanā kare — they concoct; daiva-paratantra — under the spell of māyā.

Translation:
Some of the disciples strictly accepted the orders of the ācārya, and others deviated, independently concocting their own opinions under the spell of daivī-māyā.

Purport:
This verse describes the beginning of a schism. When disciples do not stick to the principle of accepting the order of their spiritual master, immediately there are two opinions. Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation. There is no scope for adjusting spiritual advancement to material ideas.

CC Ādi 12.10
ācāryera mata yei, sei mata sāra
tāṅra ājñā laṅghi’ cale, sei ta’ asāra

Synonyms:
ācāryera — of the spiritual master (Advaita Prabhu); mata — opinion; yei — what is; sei — that; mata — opinion; sāra — active principle; tāṅra — his; ājñā — order; laṅghi’ — transgressing; cale — becomes; sei — that; ta’ — however; asāra — useless.

Translation:
The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless.

Purport:
Here is the opinion of Śrīla Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī. Persons who strictly follow the orders of the spiritual master are useful in executing the will of the Supreme, whereas persons who deviate from the strict order of the spiritual master are useless.

— Bhaktivedanta Swami,

Guru-tyagi and guru-bhogi, as described below (respectively), define two types of guru-aparadha.

40. One who renounces the bona-fide spiritual master, or one who tries to enjoy at the expense of his spiritual master, are both useless.

— Bhaktivedanta Swami, Verse 40, “Vaisistyastakam“ (Vyasa-puja Offering to His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja, 1961)

What for those who Kill Guru and Become Guru ?

Of course one cannot kill Sri Guru, anymore than one can kill Sri Krishna. However, one who makes such an attempt commits Vaishnava aparadha and is surely destined for hell. One who “kills” a bonafide guru cannot become guru. Only a most dedicated servant of Sri Gurudeva can become a guru after him.

Your email and questions are well worth thorough examination. I have given them a brief treatment. But I think it is sufficient for now.

If you have any further questions I will try my best to answer them.

I pray this finds you well in health and spirits.

Sincerely,

Swami B.K. Giri