Srila Sridhar Maharaja & Srila Swami Maharaja Conversation 06/27/1973 at Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, Navadwip Dhama

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Sripada Bhakti Kusham Asharam Maharaja
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Sriman Yudhamanyu Seva Vikrama
Sriman Ramai dasa Brahmachari
Srimati Prabala Devi Dasi
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Swami B.K. Giri

 

73.06.27

Srila Prabhupada: …German center, (Bengali) “One in the United States.”

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Three in America.

Srila Prabhupada: Three in America.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Another three, Another…?

Srila Prabhupada: Another three in Europe.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Three in Europe. Six.

Srila Prabhupada: One in India.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: India, one.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. (Bengali) “It will fall. Why you are keeping there?”

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: India, one. Seven.

Srila Prabhupada: Seven. And Africa, one.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: One.

Srila Prabhupada: Eight.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: That will be at (eight).

Srila Prabhupada: And one, Australia.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Australia.

Srila Prabhupada: New Zealand.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Nine, (Bengali) Including New Zealand is ten.

Srila Prabhupada: And one…

Bhavananda: Canada.

Srila Prabhupada: Canada.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Eleven. Another one?

 

Devotee: Africa and South America.

Bhavananda: Ah, yes, South America.

Srila Prabhupada: South America. What part?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: South America. South America, which place

Bhavananda: Australia and Southeast Asia also.

Srila Prabhupada: Argentina.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Argentina.

Devotee: And Japan. Japan.

Srila Prabhupada: Japan includes now…

Devotee: Western United States.

Srila Prabhupada: Western.

Bhavananda: Western United States?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Including Hawaii and Japan. (Bengali) “Japanese people are very easily..”

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: (indistinct)China,Russia

Srila Prabhupada: Russia-te – there we planted the seed (of devotion). I have got a student there. They are very much strict about religious things. When I went to Moscow…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Well, reaction will come.

Srila Prabhupada: Reaction already come. They do not…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Sure to come… Reaction, reaction.

Srila Prabhupada: So they found one of my Bhagavad-gita in the immigration. So immediately he called police. (laughs) Then he, he examined. He allowed, “All right, it is all right. It is such a rubbish.” But they are not very happy country, as they advertise.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: What is happiness? God is happiness.

Srila Prabhupada: Now, apart from materially, they’re poor.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha…

Srila Prabhupada: This is…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja:anudarsanam. So they are poor in intelligence. This is sattvika intelligence. Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi-duhkha-dosanudarsanam.

Srila Prabhupada: Anudarsanam.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Devoid of higher kind of intelligence.

Srila Prabhupada: The Russian professor…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And the scientific fineness that is also in the jurisdiction of matter. But a more subtle and subtler knowledge is possible.

Srila Prabhupada: Now we are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is, the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe the life, life comes from matter…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Life comes from matter.

Srila Prabhupada: Matter. But we, we are presenting, “No, matter comes from life.”

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Apparently. This is more appropriate. This is Vedanta. Vedanta…

Srila Prabhupada: Janmadyasya yatah.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: I said that just examine the healthy body. This material world is an eczema expect(?) in the healthy body.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Material, material atmosphere means diseased condition.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Diseased condition, very negligent or diseased condition, very negligent part, forming very negligent part of the whole, this material world, where creation and dissolution is compulsory.

Srila Prabhupada: Bhutva bhutva praliyate.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Creation and the dissolution is compulsory. That is a negligent portion of the real universe.

Srila Prabhupada: Ekamsena.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Otherwise, if a major portion of a body is bad, then that cannot stand. So the major portion of the universe must be healthy, wholesome. And the negligent part is the diseased portion. That is the world, where the majority lives.

Srila Prabhupada: One fourth part.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: The, the possession of Satan. It is under possession of Satan. Satan means having vikrta-jnana. That is misunderstanding. Misunderstanding is perverted. Misunderstanding is set out. Understanding is there, but it is perverted.

Srila Prabhupada: Dehatma-buddhih.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Dehatma…

Srila Prabhupada: Dehatma-buddhih.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Dehatma-buddhih. Rather, rather the enjoying principles, offensive.

Srila Prabhupada: Sense gratification.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Enjoying mood. That is the basis of this. And mood of renunciation. That is a vapor state. That is nothing only. And the real life is the life of self-dedication and service. And the service not of any part. Or service not for any part which is like me, but for the whole, for the Divinity. As Krsna says in Gita:

athava bahunaitena
kim jnatena tavarjuna
vistabhyaham idam krtsnam
ekamsena sthito jagat

Who lies, whose bed is infinite – Sesasajya (bed of Sesa), Ananta. Infinite gathered together. And though He seems to, to have a figure, but figure that, that sort of figure which can contain many, many number of infinite of our conception. Krsna is a figure talking with Arjuna, a limited figure, but Visvarupa emerged from Him. How? A big Visvarupa emerged from a limited figure? So such limited figure, that is God. Vrndavana. Vrndavana has been described as only sixty…say…

Srila Prabhupada: Eighty-four miles.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Thirty two miles. Thirty-two miles.

Srila Prabhupada: Somebody says eighty-four.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: 16-krosa  Vrndavana,

Srila Prabhupada: Ah, 16 (sixteen)

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: …thirty-two miles. But Paravyoma, which is to be understood as Vaikuntha, means infinite, many of the Paravyoma is accommodated there within that thirty-two miles area. Square miles area, or something like that. That, we must be conversant with that sort of understanding. Any number of length of rope coming, but only two fingers less. Only two fingers less. Another big rope added. Again that two fingers less. This is all categorical principles. We have to be acquainted with. Then we shall go to read Bhagavatam or to…

Srila Prabhupada: Is there a fan?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Haricharan, give a table fan.

Srila Prabhupada: No a simple fan.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: A simple fan, give it.

Srila Prabhupada: Give it to him. Drive away the flies.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: How it is possible. Eka vigraha tanra ananta svarupa – In one figure, He accommodates numberless of figures. Eka vigraha tanra ananta svarupa. But all these appear to be real and it will be shown to them who has got real sraddha. Sraddhamayo ’yam lokah. The world of faith. And that is substantial, not imaginary. What we say to be concrete, that will be reduced to ashes and imaginary. It will evaporate, both the scientists, material scientists, as well as the rsis. But this will evaporate one day with sun, moon, everything. This will evaporate, but that subtle thing stands forever. Sraddhamayo ’yam lokah. The experience of the region of faith stands forever, undisturbed. The world of experience is evaporating every second. And for the being who is dying every moment, every second dying, the what is to be told to us to be reality, that is, means dying every second. That sort of reality is given to us by these great persons of the present universe, big scientists, and big leaders of the knowledge world. In India there is a saying that once a big mountain, he or she expressed that she will produce a child. Parvate musika bhave. She has got pain just before producing child. Then the people thought, “Oh, what a big child must come when the big mountain, she feels pain to produce a…” Eh?

Srila Prabhupada: Labor pain.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Labor… “Then a big child must come.” At last it was seen that a mice, a mouse was produced. So the big giants of the present world, so-called leaders of the scholars…

Srila Prabhupada: Scientists.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: …scholars, with world, they are producing like a mouse. That is a dying substance, in this form or that form.

Srila Prabhupada: Punah punas carvita-carvananam.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Ah, this is sheer deception, a deception to be a challenge to the real thinkers. We should abhorrently throw it out at once. It is within the boundary of janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi. Throw it off.

Srila Prabhupada: So I try to impress upon them this fact, that this Krsna Consciousness movement is a challenge for this deception. They’re simply deceived.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: All sorts of deception. Even Vaikuntha. You will be thrown to Paravyome (Bengali) And the calculation, even they, the self is, a sort of calculation comes between the, the servitor and the object of service, then also it throws us down. In Krsna Consciousness, that sort of calculation is also absurd. Where there is love, there cannot be any calculation. It is autonomous. Autonomous anuraga. Cultivate, do. No sort of calculation of any benefit. The calculation disturbs autonomy.

Srila Prabhupada: As you have suggested we are doing that temple(Bengali) Goloka-namni nija-dhamni tale ca tasya devi-mahesa-hari-dhama. (Bengali). That way I was explaining them, about our temple contemplation, it will be almost a skyscraper building.

Bhavananda: Will be.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Eh?

Srila Prabhupada: Skyscraper building in temple shape, with four divisions. Goloka-namni nija-dhamni tale ca tasya devi-mahesathat way I was explaining to them about our temple about our temple. It will be almost a sky scraper building..sky scraper building in temple shape with four division Goloka dham…. so Mahesa-dhama, how it will be depicted? Parvati-wise. (?)

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: It has been already described by Sanatana Gosvami in Brhad-Bhagavatamrtam. After crossing Brahmaloka [the impersonal Brahman],

Srila Prabhupada: There is Mahesa-dhama, in between.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Mahesa-dhama. And the devotee, Siva as devotee.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, everyone is… Siva’s devotional prayer is there in Fourth Canto, about the four sons. What are those?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Devi-dhama. Upto viraja, nirvisesa. The last conception or the highest conception of Devi-dhama is what are the conception of viraja; prakrti ends there… Then begins…

Srila Prabhupada: Karana, karanarnav

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Karana, karanarnava. Then it begins Brahmaloka, the halo of the spiritual world.

Srila Prabhupada: Effulgence. Yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Spiritual world. And that is also some, some,
somewhat nirvisesa. And then, after crossing that, the Siva is on the other, higher side or he is in lower side. That is differentiation…

Srila Prabhupada: Siva is…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Differentiation on two sides is Siva. This side also, Master of Devi, and this side also. He is searching after something and when the differentiated world ends in Brahmaloka, there also Siva is devotee. This side, Siva is a yogi. He’s searching after. And then, there, he’s going to meet Narayana, to face (indistinct).

Srila Prabhupada: Both sides, he’s a devotee.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: This side, he’s not such a devotee. But that is pure devotee on the other side, Vaikuntha.

Srila Prabhupada: Ah. Sada-Siva.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Sada-Siva, Maha-visnu. On the other side, he’s a devotee. Vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh.

Srila Prabhupada: Maha-visnu and Sada-Siva, the same.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Same.

Srila Prabhupada: Advaita Acarya.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Advaita Acarya. On the other side. and this side, sometimes revolving. The other day, I told a gentlemen that Siva is rather the leader of the opposition party.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, in Daksa-yajna, that is the curse.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: In Daksa-yajna and in many a place, many demons is encouraged by him, we find.

Srila Prabhupada: But when Pracetas, Pracetas, they met Siva…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: That is that Siva, devotee Siva.

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, they…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Markandeya also in Bhagavatam, Markandeya worshiped Siva. But that is the devotee Siva. It is clearly mentioned in Bhagavatam. Markandeya’s worshiping Siva. But that Siva is the pure devotee of Narayana.

Srila Prabhupada: Pracetas, Siva, the Pracetas met in this material world or in the spiritual world? They met in the material world.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: I can’t remember that particular…but Siva, this side also Siva, in the nirvisesa, on the lower side of the nirvisesa is also Siva, and the higher side of the nirvisesa is also Siva. Then Narayana.

Srila Prabhupada: Here, he’s Bhutanatha, leaders of the atheistic-class of men.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Atheistic class. And his paraphernalia is Nandi, Bhrngi, bhuta,preta and his, and his eldest son is Vinayaka, and he misguided… The leader of the misguided, Vinayaka, Ganesa.

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, Vinayaka. Vi-gata…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Vinayaka. Not proper nayaka. Vikrta-nayakah.

Srila Prabhupada: Vikrta-nayakah.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Vinayanikapamode-suddha-prabhu, (?) that are protected by Krsna, and they, they…

Srila Prabhupada: But in Brahma-samhita Ganesa is described –vighna-nasa.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Vighna-nasa, but with the help of Nrsimhadeva on his kumbha.

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, I see. Yat-pada-pallava-yugam vinidhaya.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: With the help of His lotus feet, he’s able to… Otherwise, he’s Vinayaka.

Srila Prabhupada: (laughs) Vinayaka. Ganesa.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: (Bengali) with ghosts, demoniac spirits soldiers …

Srila Prabhupada: Misleader.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Misleader, misguider, Ganesa, his eldest son. And he give support, Siva. Just as C.R. Das, he encouraged the Subash Bose and the other members of Anusilan party( a revolutionary party) but he himself was a little calm person.

Srila Prabhupada: So, Satsvarupa Maharaja, how do you like this place?

Satsvarupa: Very transcendental.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: (Bengali) Hare Krsna. Hari-carana is there. Take one of them. Take on of them. Sruta-kirti, where is Sruta-kirti?

Srila Prabhupada: Here is Sruta-kirti.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: His health, you have to arrange what will be…

Srila Prabhupada: Sruta-kirti wants to serve you, provided you go with us, USA (laughter) He says, “If Maharaja goes with us, then I shall take care of him.”

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: In another life. Some other life. (laughter)

Srila Prabhupada: No. How much difficult you think it is not that difficult (Bengali)

Indian: (Bengali) Maharaj even does not go out from here.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: When Prabhupada wanted to send me to England I was so uncomfortable..  (Devotee shows some vegetables)

Srila Prabhupada: During that time when you were young, now you are old

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Then when Professor babu told me I said that I am not so conversant, going there I cannot understand them clearly, what will I do going there.

Srila Prabhupada: When he came from Bombay he said, wherever he is sitting idle pull him out..(laughter)

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Then Professor Babu said, “Do you know why Prabhupada wants to send you to England? Because whoever is going is becoming converted to a sahib, but you will not be converted”. I replied that it is right. (laughter). No one can convert me. On that I can guarantee.

Srila Prabhupada: We were having food in Vana [Bon] Maharaja’s place and they gave us fork. I didn’t know how to use them. I just caught it. Vana [Bon] Maharajaa was criticizing me by saying that “you will go to foreign country! You cannot even hold a fork properly”(laughter). I am not going there to learn how to hold a fork but to make them leave the fork! (laughter)

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: You said “Now Europe is defeated by Asia” Do you remember on the round table when Suri saheb was brought.

Srila Prabhupada: They have brought some vegetables from the garden. Egg plant, ladies finger etc.. preparation is very good..

Devotee: Eggplant, jhinge, potato, patal, ladies finger…

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, patal is there? Oh. In our place there is our own crops.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: They are hardworking

Srila Prabhupada:Yes they are hardworking. They are buying lands to cultivate grains. They have intelligence, just that they need to utilize it in this direction.

Devotee: Maharaja, what food should I make for you. Do you have any restriction.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: As I said…

Srila Prabhupada: Can patal fry be had on ekadasi?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Yes. In Mayapura it was eaten as it is produced in the dhama.

Srila Prabhupada:  Give patal fry then.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Although many seeded vegetables are forbidden. Even papaya is many seeded, jackfruit is many seeded. Many vegetables are there with many seeds.

Srila Prabhupada:  Cucumber

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Cucumber, pumpkin are many seeded. Specially patal is restricted during Caturmasya. Even then it was eaten as it was grown in dhama. No need to judge on these.” Sithilita bidhi radha aradhyo radhe”

Srila Prabhupada:  Patal you can use. Patal here is famous. Near your place they have heaped loads of patal and selling.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Selling.

Srila Prabhupada: How much patal cost here?

Devotee: 50 paisa a kg.

Srila Prabhupada:  Oh. When you were there together with Kesava Maharaja it was 1 paisa or 2 paisa a sher (weight unit). I saw it myself when buying from the matha.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: From hata (village market) if you buy you will get at 1.5 sher of patal a paisa.

Srila Prabhupada:  Ok

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: When they are leaving after finishing their sell and it is not sold they sell at whatever rate they gate. I remember I got enticed while I was going home in Jabalpur when I saw patal being sold at a cheap price in Belerhat. I wrapped half a ton of patal in my shawl as much I could(laughing) and carried it on my shoulder.

Srila Prabhupada: Patal is a nutritious vegetable.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Hare Krisha. Hare Krishna.

Srila Prabhupada: Do you know this boy? He was my disciple.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: I do not have good eyesight

Srila Prabhupada: Oh you cannot see..

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: that is why I cannot remember after identifying them. But that Hrshikesa whom Vana [Bon] Maharajaa took away..

Srila Prabhupada: yes yes..(laughing)..he has also come.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Because of Vana [Bon] Maharajaa’s..

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, attack

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Because of Vana [Bon] Maharajaa’s attack you sent the remaining ones to me.

Srila Prabhupada:(laughing) yes ..you know all these things.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: It is like the protector who became the one who devours (rakshak became bhaksak)..

Srila Prabhupada: yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: That is his way. Whenever he sees that there is decline in his pratistha he opens a school or college and piggybacking it he wants to stay popular..

Srila Prabhupada: Yes like that..

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: On the holy site of Sanatana Goswami’s Pavana-sarovara he opened a college and made it a place of ruffians. I gave some opposition from here saying ‘what is happening’? The boy from your side…

Srila Prabhupada: Helping government…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Slaughter house…helping the government a little and getting some respect from people, that’s it. Swami Vana, all these are Svami Vana’s opulence( baibhav)! Without all these he cannot stay calm..

Srila Prabhupada: and nothing else..

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: exhibitive Maharaja or demonstrative…demonstrate so that his rotten organization…once one came to me and said…this Krsnadasa Babaji gives lot of importance…that Vana [Bon] Maharajaa is the fifth saint in the world.

Srila Prabhupada: Is it?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: How can that be protested? (ironically) First will be a padre, second may be a Buddhist, third is a mullah, fourth is a Jew and fifth is Vana [Bon] Maharajaa. On this I have no objection! Its fine (laughing). Hearing it, he was taken aback.

Srila Prabhupada: The fifth purusartha.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: If he has become the fifth. He will be their subordinate. He can be the fifth, I have no objection.

Srila Prabhupada: Is Tirtha Maharaja the sixth?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: That I don’t know. This happened many days before.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja:” urdha mulam……”

Srila Prabhupada: Fifteen chairs.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Cause of this world is connected with the upper world.” Jatyam veda sa vedovit”.

Srila Prabhupada: The one who knows it is Vedavit (knower of Vedas).

 

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: He is the real knower of Vedas. After this he said “ Guna Prabhida Visaya Prabala”. Just as trees have branches similarly the world has got its branches created from the modes of material nature.

Srila Prabhupada: three modes( triguna)..prakriteh kriyamanani..

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: “ Guna Prabhida Visaya Prabala”. From the five fold come the karmendriya, jyanendriya and panchamahabhuta(five material elements) expands in three direction. Jyanendriya is in mode of goodness. Sabda(sound), sparsa( touch), rupa( form), rasa(flavor), gandha(smell). The one who know the sound vibration is jyanendriya and the one who is performing action accordingly is karmendriya and the one who comes face to face with mode of ignorance is panchamahabhuta. The one has bifurcated and formed these three. They are all descending. And it is like seeing stars in eyes!

Srila Prabhupada: it is like a disease..

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: it is a disease. All the jivas are diseased and the basis is diseased mind.

Srila Prabhupada: the disease of ignorance

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: diseased mind, similar patients are in one place having the same diseased vision. All of them have come to the world of exploitation. Among them there is classification. Therefore actually it is a perverted darsana (vision). This world is in reality a perverted reflection. From this angle there is no reality of this world. That Hegel has pointed out. He says ‘If I say that I have certain money is it the fact?’ He answered that it is existing in the universal mind, in the mind of Brahma [the impersonal Brahman]. Therefore even if it is not with me it is from my mind, mind of Brahma [the impersonal Brahman]. First comes the idea from which all others get activated. That is why someone remarked, maybe Marx, that ‘The world of Marx walks on foot, while the world of Hegel walks on head!’ Do you get it, he is ridiculing! The main thing is first is idea

Srila Prabhupada: brain.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: yes, according to it activity starts and continues. First is the conception, then the work. This applies to everything. From that side it comes here. It is consciousness only. Consciousness is an integer. It is independent of matter. Into clear introspection, the spirit can see spirit, can feel spirit. But matter cannot feel matter. And on that topic in which Bon Maharaj played the trick by saying ‘matter presupposes spirit’. No, whatever you ascribe to a fossil, it presupposes consciousness. This is his collar, this is tie, this is this. That means…

Srila Prabhupada: Consciousness studying fossil

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Consciousness in a degraded stage sees fossil. Consciousness is, there is faith, gradation is there-himself then superior soul.

Srila Prabhupada: And the supermost.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: and the ultimate reality is Krishna, all love, all good, all beauty. That self, individual consciousness can reveal and moving. In the land of beautiful, in the land of divine love. Anyone having any conception of beauty and love which is the prime cause of the universe cannot like anything in this world.’ Rasaprasya param drsta nivartate’. All these charm has vanished as soon as that type of rasa, that quality has got a little awakenment in heart.’ Jadanu charita….’ Bhagavat Gita, Radharani is saying. A drop of nectar of your pastimes, lila when it has entered any ear, then all things turn into ashes to him.’ jadan…’.It is independent of dwanda dharma, that is raga dwesh or this conjugal life both. Permanent partner in conjugal life that seems to be redundant to him without Krishna. So dwanda dharma as well as dwanda dharma means raga and dwesha all vanish. ’ Dwanda dharma binastha sata degree ho kutumbam’ and what is the after effect? Very soon he leaves everything ‘dina mu srijya dinam’. He himself possess himself to be very poor one and leaves his present paraphernalia and without him think themselves very poorer. In this way ’bihanga bhikshu charja charanti’, just as a bird from this tree to that tree moving he also is in quest for Krishna from here to there, there to here in this way with Krishna in heart. And sometimes they come to particular stage to organize for the jiva to help them to come to that realm.

Srila Prabhupada: So what is your advice. Shall I fly like bihanga(bird) or retire?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja:(laughing) Anukulsah sankalpah. They have become capable, so stay for a while and direct them. I think that will be more fruitful. I tell this to Madhav Maharaj also, it should not be ‘penny wise pound foolish’ by running here and there excessively. Meaning ‘yukta vairagya’ what Gita says.

Srila Prabhupada: No, my position is that they have found a new thing. All of them, even the public wants to see me. From Mexico there is lot of request to come. From Australia also.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: As much as you can accommodate yourself for them you need to. But not at the risk of life.

Srila Prabhupada: From Australia, they have arranged 3 raths from Melbourne and made very big arrangement but I did not go.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: You could not go.

Srila Prabhupada: (laughing) Yes, I could not go. Similarly from London. Last time I was there in London during ratha. There was a big procession. In Trafalgar Square we had a meeting, initiation. Out of them there were many Englishmen. One was a bank manager, of Midland Bank he also got initiated. The function was for three hours, and they stood in the scorching sunshine and saw. They opened up the fountains in Trafalgar Square. There was a huge crowd standing for 3 hours. They stood and watched the function, honored prasadam. Anyone of you were present at that time at Trafalgar Square? No.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Practically they have it in them. It is innate. Therefore various people in various circumstances.

Srila Prabhupada: They could take it as it is innate.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: It is possible because it is innate. When they are seeing. To a certain extend the intellectual layer is nullifying it.

Srila Prabhupada: It does not come in the intellectual layer, how within 5 or 6 years.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: When they are seeing that it goes overflooding the intellectual realm then people are getting hope. The intellectual barrier has been crossed and from there it is being extended to this mundane world. Immediately the people are getting encouragement.

Srila Prabhupada: One intelligent boy, you have heard his name, George Harrison, he’s one of the greatest musicians at the present moment, of the world. I think so, eh?

Devotee: Yes.

Srila Prabhupada: George Harrison. So he’s becoming, he’s very intelligent, so he’s becoming interested. Now recently he has given us a house in London which is fifty-five lakhs

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: (Bengali) Give me some water, hot.

Srila Prabhupada: Which is worth two hundred thousand pounds. Two hundred thousand pounds ordinarily, it is forty lakhs. And in the market value, because pound is selling in India thirty, twenty-eight, at least twenty-five, in that way…[break]

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: (starts coughing)

Srila Prabhupada: Give the spittoon.

(Bengali conversation for some time)

Srila Prabhupada: In between I became very ill. Still now it is there. The illness is not yet been fully got rid off.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Hare Krishna.

Srila Prabhupada: Now what has happened is that since for almost 7 years I am there, I cannot tolerate heat.

Devotee: I am leaving.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: It will not be bad if you stay in Puri as it is on the seaside, hence not very hot or cold. And once I have seen that within India, Bangalore is the best. It is moderate with little cold all the 12 months. In winter as well as in summer it is little cold. In this way Bangalore is best.

Srila Prabhupada: In our US Los Angeles is also like that.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Apart from that what you can do is to install a air conditioner here if it is convenient here.

Srila Prabhupada: Installing air conditioner is not a problem but I don’t like that. It is an artificial thing. But I don’t like it. It is artificial.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Also it creates suffocation.

Srila Prabhupada: Air conditioner I never liked.

Devotee: Cannot Air conditioner do Vaishnava seva?
( all laughing).

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Depending on eligibility it can serve, but if in certain aspect it has ineligibility why should it go to do Vaishnava seva and create obstacles in it.( laughing)

Srila Prabhupada: In the name of seva (service) there will be offence. I had the intention Maharaja to take you along. If you have a desire? There will not be any inconvenience.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Where?

Srila Prabhupada: Wherever we are present.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: (laughing) I don’t even go downstairs. Taking this stick I just move on the verandah sometime.

Srila Prabhupada: Why? If you go down…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Only on special occasion I go to the temple to pay my obeisances.

Srila Prabhupada:  Do you have heart palpitations if you go down?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Nowadays it has recovered a little, Otherwise when moving up the stairs or taking more.. recovered a bit. Else if I talk more.. there is heart palpitation.

Srila Prabhupada: I had the desire to show you “Gorar sampad sei to dekhe” (He only can see the fortune of Lord Gauranga) (laughing). How have things materialized.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Those are worth seeing.

Srila Prabhupada:  Yes, they are worth seeing. Specially our Los Angeles temple.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: If people wants water to drink they will ask for a little water from Vaishnava to get bhakti. To see all these great opulences will enhance bhakti (devotion). “Prithibite ache jata nagaradi gram sarvatra prachar haibe mora naam”.

Srila Prabhupada:  Especially in Los Angeles.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: It is a visionary statement. Still now it has been a visionary dream. You made this come true in reality.

Srila Prabhupada:  I have not done it, He is doing.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: But through you it has become reality to a certain extent. Why it will not be? Why not? Such a great thing why the world won’t get? Why will they not appreciate? “ kaldhang bipuladi…” In this gigantic world and in this incessant movement of time will not the good thing be adorned!

Srila Prabhupada: That is what I am thinking. These communist fellows built Communist party all over the world by goondaism and Mahaprabhu’s party will not run? That I was thinking. We will only dance, sing and feed others and this party will not run. And this party of gundas will run! (laughter). I saw that it became successful, just by dancing, singing and feeding.

Devotee: No other work

Srila Prabhupada: Nothing else.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Feeding is my responsibility.

Srila Prabhupada: That’s it. From the very beginning I myself cooked and fed 10 to 12 people. That time I did not have any disciples. Distributed 1 or 2 breads, a little prasad

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Prasad system.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, Prasad system.  Now in every center of ours on Sunday there are 300,400 people coming, ’love feast’. They hear hari-katha, get prasadam, buy books…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Is it a general expenditure..

Srila Prabhupada: It is general

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: or any particular person supplies it?

Srila Prabhupada: No no, we have nothing like contribution. We are solely depending on our books.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: That is what Acyutananda said, if one becomes a member by a fees of Rs 1000 or is it Rs 1100 he will get all the benefits.

Srila Prabhupada: 1100

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: All publications of Godhead and other publications.

Srila Prabhupada: This was introduced in India. When I came to India in 1970 then…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: this the big people could easily take..

Srila Prabhupada: yes

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Within a small time this lead to a financial position.

Srila Prabhupada: When returning back I thought that when I went there (in USA) I took a few books and Rs 40. When I returned to India then I asked my secretary (  name inaudible) that he can give me the money he is having. He said he has around $5,000. With that money I went to Japan. There I told to open an account in the name of ‘Bhaktivedanta Book Fund’ and this $5,000 you take as advance deposit. And take my orders. I gave him order books worth $52,000 advancing 5,000 and they gradually supply to India and from USA we gradually little by little we paid. So that became the asset of books and I advised them ‘you go and present these books to respective gentleman to become a member and they will become’. And actually that plan became successful. Now the same member they are not only paying 1,100, now some of them they are paying 11,000. Recently one gentleman belonging to the Birla family… Eh?

Bhavananda: L. M. Birla.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: The other day, the family came there and Hari-carana went there…

Srila Prabhupada: No, no. Another family. They came to our Calcutta center. In how many motors they came?

Bhavananda: Seventeen.

Srila Prabhupada: Seventeen motorcars, whole family. And after seeing the Deity they presented a check for eleven thousand rupees. So by Krsna’s grace, money is coming. There is no scarcity. And they are spending here in Mayapura. So with that five hundred, five thousand dollars, whatever asset is Indian now, that is from five thousand…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Also you have proved also that capital is on the other world. Capital is also… So it is being supplied.

Srila Prabhupada: Now, these books suppliers, Dai Nippon, they give us credit up to $200,000. $200,000 –  in our Indian exchange, it is twenty lakhs of rupees. So they give us credit. We take books from them and distribute and then pay. In this way, it is going on. In Los Angeles alone we are selling… How many books daily?

Devotee: Two thousand, maybe. Fifteen hundred a day.

Srila Prabhupada: Two thousand pieces, and the collection is about eight thousand dollars, no, eight hundred dollars. Eight hundred dollars. So they’re very anxiously taking our books. A new literature. They have no such idea, what is God, what is bhakti. How they can be explained. Our Bhagavad-gita As It Is, publisher MacMillan, within one year… Last August they, the first edition. And… Not yet August. By this time, they have finished two editions and the third edition is in the press. That will be available in July.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Edition of a very number…

Srila Prabhupada: Fifty thousand.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Fifteen thousand.

Srila Prabhupada: Fifty. Five, zero.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Marvelous success.

Srila Prabhupada: And Bhagavata also, we have got six volumes. So people purchase the whole set, sixty dollars. Sixty dollars for the whole set? No? How much?

Srutakirti: They sell it for thirty dollars.

Srila Prabhupada: Thirty dollars, yes. So this is very encouraging that our books are… truely The books are selling like anything, these books.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Hotcakes. (laughter)

Srila Prabhupada: Hotcakes, yes. We are ordering to Dai Nippon, because they are giving us facilities, 100,000 copies each. And distributed all over the world. The whole world, Australia… The whole… Australia is English-speaking. Whole America is English-speaking. England, English-speaking. And Europe also, half, English-speaking. India, more than half, English-speaking. So in this way, English literatures, worldwide circulation we are getting. And besides that, we have published in German language, in Spanish language. Just yesterday I received Spanish Back to Godhead. People are liking it very much. So here is something.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Who is in charge of this publication?

Srila Prabhupada: Publication… I have made one Trust, Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Who is the leader?

Srila Prabhupada: I am there, and one, my sannyasi-sisya, Bali-mardana.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Where is that Brahmananda?

Srila Prabhupada: Bali-mardana. Bali-mardana and another, Karandhara Dasa Adhikari. So actually he’s the manager, Karandhara Dasa Adhikari. He is looking after.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: At America.

Srila Prabhupada: In Los Angeles. He’s very intelligent boy. He knows everything. He knows accounts, He knows how to construct building. He knows how to manage. He knows how to publish. Everything.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Versatile.

Srila Prabhupada: Versatile, yes. And he’s not very old. And he wants to take sannyasa also. He’s a grhastha, he has got a child. And: “Just wait. We shall arrange for your… You are already sannyasi.” He lives apart from his wife. He’s very nice boy.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: So I do not have here one copy, regularly.

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, why, why not Back to Godhead?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Last time I requested, but they have forgotten.

Srila Prabhupada: It is…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja:  Once letter to me that in Benares Candrasekhara with Navadvipa Candrasekhara, uncle. The Benares Candrasekhara, the lwriter sudra, and the Mahaprabhu’s maternal uncle Candrasekhara Acarya…

Srila Prabhupada: Candrasekhara, yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Eh? …Has been misplaced.

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, Candrasekhara Acarya and sudra…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And Candrasekhara…

Srila Prabhupada: Where?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Has been told to be this Candrasekhara, a servant Candrasekhara.

Srila Prabhupada: Benares Candrasekhara was a vaidya.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Vaidya.

Srila Prabhupada: And he is…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: This is… Uncle,

Srila Prabhupada: Uncle, uncle. In Back to Godhead, you have seen it. Maybe.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: So much clear conception in such a small period of time, that they have acquired. This is a marvelous thing. Bon Maharaj also, ISKCON received in such a way.This Damodar Swarup, pandit  Damodara. Generally, these are for public, but minute reader only can differentiate.

Srila Prabhupada: Damodara. Svarupa-damodara and Damodara Pandita.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Damodara Pandita. Two different, but one is Lalita. Another is a manjari of Candravali, Pandita Damodara.

Srila Prabhupada: Opposite party.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Opposite party. And this is the leader of this party, and he…

Srila Prabhupada: How they came together? Caitanyakhyam prakatam adhuna.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Vana [Bon] Maharajaa once misplaced that very…

Srila Prabhupada: In which book?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: In this…

Srila Prabhupada: Eh? In which book. Or he spoke in a speech or what?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: In speech must be, but…

Srila Prabhupada: But he hasn’t got many books.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: No. One Paramo Dharma in Bengali, and First year in England, Second year in England, in this way…

Srila Prabhupada: That is not a…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: One (indistinct) in German language.

Srila Prabhupada: Eh?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: What is there, I do not know. First Year in England. My First Year in England. My Second Year in England. And it was very disgusted to Prabhupada, this…

Srila Prabhupada: Prabhupada, yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And his servant.

Srila Prabhupada: And therefore he was called back.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Nothing, “I met that such and such person on such and such date. I met on that… I delivered one lecture there.” Everything: “I, I, I…”

Srila Prabhupada: And there was a picture: “Svamiji is playing on harmonium.”

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And Tirtha Maharaja is trying a, feed (be?) a pigeon or something like that, and staring… These were the pictures while
London preaching. And the money…

Srila Prabhupada: So at present Tirtha Maharaja, Bhakti Vilasa Tirtha Maharaja, he’s representing Prabhupada. At least, he tries to pose himself. So Vana [Bon] Maharajaa’s activities, in comparison to that, my activities certainly better. And Vana [Bon] Maharajaa was given so much reception. But he did not give me any reception. How he can claim to be Prabhupada’s representative?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Vana [Bon] Maharajaa was given reception because Prabhupada…

Srila Prabhupada: No, Prabhupada appreciated anyway.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Anyway.

Srila Prabhupada: But here there is no appreciation.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: He’s representing, he’s representing the mission, he thinks. He thinks so, but he’s so poor in his preaching capacity that he cannot accommodate any other in his camp, then he will be nowhere. I heard a story of Maharashtra. In old days, there was a good king who encouraged the panditas very much. And he had got in his assembly a scholar, one Balarama. He always looked after this, that. No pandita can have any entrance to that Maharaja. And he professed himself to be, he is the biggest pandita in the land. So once Kalidasa… At the time of Kalidasa. Kalidasa, when he heard, then he found a plan. And went to that pandita, that “I a poor brahmana. I want some, some sort of money from the king. You are all in all…”

Srila Prabhupada: Recommend.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: “Please recommend me.” “Oh, yes. And then what sort of scholarship you have got? Do you…, can you compose any poem?” “Yes. I can.” “Then do it.” Then: uttisthottistha bhu-rajan mukham praksalaya atha, roditi na ghare kukurana vaidyuhi na vaidyo hi.(?) This stanza. What is the meaning? (laughs) The uttisthottistha rajan. “Oh King,…”

Srila Prabhupada: “Get up.”

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: “Wake up, wake up. Get up.” bhu-rajan mukham praksalaya atha. “And…”

Srila Prabhupada: Wash up.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: “…cleanse your mouth. Wash your mouth.” And ta what is this ta? “Well, keep it in your hand.” Roditi na ghare kukura… “The ta must come here.” Roditi na ghare kukura ta mughi. “That ta is placed there in advance, that ta must come here.” Roditi na ghare kukura ta. “But for the chanda(rhytm), and it has been removed there. And that one word, the place was empty. So this ta has been positioned, has been placed there.” Roditi na ghare kukura. “And what is this Ca vai tu ki, ca vai tu hi? No.” “This is ca-vai-tu-hi, all these letters only to pada, for pada purana. So this fourth pada, I could not fill up. So these four things have been placed here.” ca vai tu ki, “Oh, that’s very good I’ll put it to the king.”

Srila Prabhupada: He saw it is very intelligent.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: “How, how a scholar I am I! I wrote this is the specimen of other scholars.” With lot of care he took it there and as soon as he delivered it immediately he started reciting fluently “ srimat vani…” And this sort of poems was produced by him in the court. The king was charmed. This man was perplexed. So Tirtha Maharaja is like Balarama. And he, and he…

Srila Prabhupada: Nobody should be allowed. (laughter)

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And when a qualified man comes around him, then he will be nowhere to the… He’s, he’s, he’s knows one thing, that Haritaki. You know that story of Haritaki.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. (Laughs)

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: He knows this canna-dhalna( a preparation of dal(pulses) made from paneer).

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Channa-dalna is everything to him, just as Haritaki to that fabulous Kaviraja. That Ramprasad, that Rama Chaudhury, and so many

Srila Prabhupada: Tushar Kanti

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Tushar kanti.And he has got one thing, I…

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Tushar Kanti very much appreciates.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Whom?

Srila Prabhupada: No, this Channar-dalna. Because that Gaura Maharaja, you know.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Yes, I know.

Srila Prabhupada: He told me that he was given…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: He wanted election of Vasudeva Prabhu, Gaura Maharaja, he entered Pranavananda, Bharatiya Sevashram. Then anyhow, he escaped and he came to Tirtha Maharaja, his former relative, old Tirtha Maharaja, former relative. Then Tirtha Maharaja told him that “What about my guru?” “Well, if your guru on one side, another bullock in another side. And if you can plow and produce some crops, and that can be offered to Mahaprabhu, then your guru may have a path of relief.” (laughs) See what Tirtha Maharaja says, “This is blasphemy.” “No, it is true, but this is very cruel. But this is truth.”

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: If he’s presently the pakka Mayavadi, if he’s used passively by a great man then only in that way he can come this side. Not in front walking. Not by front walking. Only by back drawing, he can be taken to this side only. It is quite true. That… So Cinmayananda. Now Gaura Maharaja, he knows me better, and he’s a paid Gosvami of those Patrika persons.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And they are exploiting him. He’s exploiting them.

Srila Prabhupada: This time, in their meeting, they made me chief guest. But I did not attend.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: That’s a lower position.

Srila Prabhupada: In, in a big meeting, they made me chief guest.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: He wants to show, so that, “I have got…”

Srila Prabhupada: That, that…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: … such big man.

Srila Prabhupada: Omkaranatha…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Was president, was made president.

Srila Prabhupada: And that uh…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And yourself, Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja invited to be vice-President. I heard.

Srila Prabhupada: Oh. Madhava Maharaja went there.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Went there.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. He lectured. And I did not go.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And Tirtha Maharaja did not go.

Srila Prabhupada: I do not know. Tirtha Maharaja did not go?

Bhavananda: They were made Vice-presidents, but Srila Prabhupada was asked to be chief speaker.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Once when I was in a hut here, then Anandamayi came to Navadvipa, and one devotee, Mano-ranjana, he wanted to bring Anandamayi here. I refused, that “I won’t be able to pay any respect to her. She’s a pakka Mayavadi.” I saw that she, with a cow in her back and with the flute…

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, there is a picture like that.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Picture. So it is abhorrent. I refused that I won’t, however she may be… She was not so great as she is now famous but I refused. What I need for him, for her? Hare Krsna. Tirtha Maharaja is of this type, this type. I had one Sanskrit sloka devoted to Srila Prabhupada –

gaude ganga-tate nava-vraja-navadvipa tu mayapure
sri caitanya-matha-prakasa-kavaro jivaika-kalyanadhih
sri siddhanta-sarasvatiti-vidito gaudiya-gurvanvaye
bhato bhanuriva prabhatagagane rupanugaih pujitah

Siddhanti , from this Radhabajar Math is a composer of this poem, “He has got not a place in the matha of Prabhupada.” who can praise him in such a poem, “He cannot, he has no place…,”

Srila Prabhupada: Place.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: “…of accommodation in his own, in the matha of Prabhupada.” (Bengali) Adrster-parihasa( the mockery of destiny). What will be the English expression? Adrsti-parihasa. Krsna Krsnoo…

Srila Prabhupada: Desire.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: I have got another sloka. That is, that will be very effective to have a clear conception of Prabhupada’s mission.

nikhila-bhuvana-maya-chinnavicchinna-karttri
vibudha-bahula-mrgya-mukti-mohanta-dhattri
sithilita-vidhi-raga-radhya-radhesa-dhani
vilastu hrdi nityam bhaktisiddhanta-vani

Srila Prabhupada: (Bengali) “That is your composition.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: A clear picture of Prabhupada’s mission nikhila-bhuvana-maya-chinnavicchinna-karttri. And vibudha-bahul, vibudha means scholars. vibudha-bahula-mrgya-mukti-mohanta-dhattri…

Srila Prabhupada: The mohana.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Eh?

Srila Prabhupada: The mukti is moha (illusion)

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And that is eliminated. ‘Mukti Moha antadatri  and what else ‘sithilita-vidhi-raga-radhya-radhesa-dhani’. Through ‘anuraga’ the radheso dhani is worshippable, this is his vani.

Srila Prabhupada: radheso dhani

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Dhani. Just like Rajdhani, similarly Radhesadhani. Radhanath’s..

Srila Prabhupada: Kingdom

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Kingdom of Radhanath. This is worshipable through love and affection after loosening the path of vidhi( rules and regulations).’ sithilita-vidhi-raga-radhya-radhesa-dhani
vilastu hrdi nityam bhaktisiddhanta-vani’. Hare Krishna.

 

Srila Prabhupada: In Bombay, when both you and me were present, Prabhupada said,” Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Maharaj will save our bhakti in times to come”

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: He said that.

Srila Prabhupada: He said it.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: He became very satisfied with the poem I have written about Bhaktivinoda Thakura. After reading it a while I showed it to him in Darjeeling. “ Lokanam hita …” He became very happy with it due to the happy style and its thought was very valuable. Although in ordinary ways you preached bhakti by books etc. and various techniques of preaching for the benefit of the world which acharyas, panditas like Ramanuja have also done. But your greatness is not limited to that only. Then who are you actually?” Dharma akhara dhama….”.
”Jad dhamna…”, nigame means ‘in Veda’ where…

 

Srila Prabhupada: Brahma

Srila Sridhara Maharaja:  in whose rays the powerful halo has been called Brahma [the impersonal Brahman].’ Jad dhamnakhar dhamm’, dham means intense power, the halo of which is called Brahma [the impersonal Brahman] in Veda.’ jad dhamnakhar dhamm….’, the big yogis who are taking lots of hardship to search for a fraction of a fraction of it, the paramatma (super-soul). ’vigyate’ means ‘to search for’.” Vaikunthe paramukta…”  In Vaikunthe where like dedicated servants (bhringa) they are serving his lotus feet. The one who is even his origin in tattva (fundamental), the supreme Lord (bhagavan) who is the very personification of rasa, His service you have come to give. Even you are not in the same level as Ramanuja. [Even Ramanuja is not on your level.]

Srila Prabhupada: Ramanuja is for Vaikuntha.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Yes Vaikuntha.” Vaikunthe paramukta Bhringa’, that position is also very honorable.

Srila Prabhupada: Of course.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: “ Vaikunthe para mukta…”. This is first, then “ sarva chhintamayi….”. After that who you are? Where bhagavan Krsnachandra is served in vatsalya rasa there with the sakhis, Radharani is distributing the madhurya. That sarva…

Srila Prabhupada: Goloka Vrindavana.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: ‘sarvachintamayi parat para pure Goloka Vrindavane…..’ is expanding the bliss. ’tad dhama seva pada’ you have the power to give someone the service of that dham. Then after that it goes to third stage ‘Sri Gauranga matam swarupa viditam……’ Apart from this you can give higher things. What is that? What Mahaprabhu has granted and opened to be given..

Srila Prabhupada: Bhagavata prema

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: bhagavat means Radha dasyam.

Srila Prabhupada:Radha dasyam.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Only by his permission it is possible.’ Swarupa vidhitam’ whose inner meaning Swarupa knows, Lalitha. ’Sri Gauranu matam Swarupa vidhitam’ And what Rupa Sanatana has made it known to the world.’ Rupagrai parivesitam’ the seva rasa which Rupa Goswami presented.’ Paribesitam Rahugan’ Raghunath Dasa, Rupa Raghunath. Raghunath tasted it and enriched it. And acharyas like Jiva who ensured it is protected. “Aviraksitam Jivadi aviraksitam’ and ‘ Suka Siva Brahmadi smmanitam’-which Suka, Siva, Brahma gave honour from a distance.Such Radhapada sevanamrtam ( the nectar in  the service of the lotus feet of Radharani).’aho…’ its an wonder you are capable to give it! Now it went to the first one.’Kaham mando stuti…’the last stanza is ‘aham manda mati’, I am left behind in a fallen condition. I am extremely fallen.’kastam jagat paven….’ In reciting this stave whatever offences I have committed I am hoping you will surely forgive it.’ Jatiham karunanidhi’ and with this I am seeking a boon.’varanyam padabja….’ Your very beloved Radha, dwaita both Prabhupada and the other side are kept. To be recognized as one of them. This does not mean overstepping Guru, I am praying for your blessing like grandfather blesses by touching our head. That is why if you kindly give me association of your very dear Varsabhanavi Dayita Dasa. Prabhupada was very satisfied with it.

Srila Prabhupada: This offering of yours was published.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Prabhupada saw it when he was there. When Prapanna Jivanamrita was published before our Prabhupada

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Ah, yes. Do it gradually. And the more beautiful, they will do it in their time.

Srila Prabhupada: Eh? This is very beautiful species.

Srutakirti: Yes, big birds and…

Srila Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: Engineer was saying that if we have a big tree around the building, then it blocks the view of the building. We will make such beautiful building and no one will see it through the trees.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: What does he say?

Srila Prabhupada: If we cover with gardens, big, big trees, then the beautiful building will be covered. So therefore he wants to keep it barren. (laughter)

Devotee: That is how the engineer always sees his engineering.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: You see, Vrndavanam, Gaura-vanam, the vegetable class is not eliminated. They have got their part to play, and that is not to be neglected. At night… At night…

Srila Prabhupada: I think, Maharaja, after your coming here, all these trees have grown.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Only these trees…

Srila Prabhupada: Only the mango tree I remember…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Others have grown. At night in the forest pastimes, holding a principal part of the krsna-lila. And when pasturing the cows, then also, forest is necessary. So it will arouse in your mind the memory of Vrndavana and the Gaura-vana. They have got their part to play. And what Uddhava says?

asam aho carana-renu-jusam aham syam
vrndavane kim api gulam-latausadhinam
ya dustyajam sva-janam arya-patham ca hitva
bhelur mukunda-padavim srutibhir vimrgyam

 “I aspire after the birth of a shrub or creeper or a grass in this land because I may have chance of being, having been tread by Your, those divine damsels. Then their feet dust will be on me.” So that is a necessary and important part, this vegetable kingdom.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: …of Vrndavana and Gaura-vana. They will arouse in your mind the fresh real memory of Krsna and His pastimes.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: And help you, help you. Green. They are doing green revolution. But real sabuja is there in Vrndavana

Srila Prabhupada: (laughing, in a joking way) Why green revolution? Is it a party? (note: Prabhupada means political parties who inspire revolution in this world)

 

Srila Sridhara Maharaja:..the source of all sabuja. This sabuja will die, will be dried out.

Srila Prabhupada: Wither away.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: The source of real sabuja, kisora sabuja, constant sabuja, constant greenness, is only there, kisora. Nitya kaisore sthiti. Eh?

Srila Prabhupada: Do you understand English? I am asking him whether he understands anything English?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja (laughing)

Devotee: No, I do not understand.

Srila Prabhupada: To be Maharaja’s disciple you need to know many things.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: ‘Syama diavam…’ Everyone is a kisora. Kisora means youth. What else can we identify ‘kisore’ apart from calling it youth? A little less..

Srila Prabhupada: Before youth, Pre-youth.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Pre-youth.

Srila Prabhupada: Pre-youth time, kisora.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Pre-youth time. And there it stands.

Srila Prabhupada: Maharaj, what is kept in this room?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja:  Items like some books are kept. Mainly books, after that time to time if there is threat of theft or robbery then those are kept.

Srila Prabhupada: Has there been anytime any theft or robbery?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Not happened but..

Srila Prabhupada: We have procured two guns. There are thefts and robbery in that place.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: If you keep them it is good. You can use it just to infuse fear (among miscreants).

Devotee: There are dagger with it, I have seen..

Srila Prabhupada: Seen.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: bayonet

Srila Prabhupada: Not bayonet..

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: What does it mean with dagger?

Srila Prabhupada: Have we got bayonet also, with our gun?

Devotee: Separate.

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, separate. Yes, bayonet is separate. Many police officers come, many come, district magistrate etc come…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: They will come, surely come. Whether it is just some shallow thing or the real basis of this downpour of the civilized people here. Mahaprabhu.
First stage they will see as hippie, then in second phase they will see as spy. Then when these two perceptions go away, they will be really be able to see the charm.

Srila Prabhupada: Now that is happening.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: To some extent that stage is coming. Because they are not able to conceive why they will come here. What real thing can be in this apart than being ostentatious! Now they (A.C.B. Prabhupada disciples) will only help to understand reality. Like after crossing mukti, bhukti there will be proper bhakti. In their life when they will find that all material and political tendency has been pushed down for some aspiration of high divine and nectar then at once they will come and bow down.

Srila Prabhupada: The value of their sacrifice (Prabhupada’s disciples) is much higher than us.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: ‘jaja dah…’ Mostly people hankers after wealth..

Srila Prabhupada: material money and all

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: power and money. At present trying to gain mastery over nature. That is the general quest of educated society. They want to get mastery over material forces. But they have neglected Newton from the beginning, ‘to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction’. Can’t put down this fact. And making progress very joyfully. But in no time they will have to feel that the reaction has begun.’ Arujya Krsne…’ nectar and full of nectar, assurance, full of nectar. Tilak said this which I say sometime. In the sloka’ Sarba dharman paritejya’, Bhagavan said…although he became engrossed in politics, but still he..

Srila Prabhupada: he was a pandita.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: He was a pandita (scholar).He realized that overcoming all these sastra Bhagavan has given his full assurance. When in a stage of fully worried, fatigued, exhausted stage one fully surrender.. you are my son, oh you have come to me. No matter, nothing you are welcome.

Srila Prabhupada: all accounts are adjusted. Come on.

 

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: whole account adjusted. Court of law states. Faith in the court of law. All adjusted. Full clearance. ’diksa kale bhakta kare…’ Whenever that divine function of converting a man of mundane aspiration begins, then directed towards divinity, with that operation the transformation begins. Transformation begins from the very time of operation that ‘I have accepted’. As representative of  the supreme I accept you. There it begins and the gradual transformation going on.’Sai deha kare tar chidanandamoy’, the conception, the abhiman (ego), the ego which consisted of many mundane thoughts and ideas that changes and another ego emerge from that sort of raw ego, a fine ego emerges and gradually he sees himself, that who am I. I am a serving unit, serving unit not in Vaikuntha but in Goloka.” Prayena muna rajan…’Sukadeva Goswami says to the sages that whatever old conception you are having..

Srila Prabhupada: the rules and restrictions

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: kindly now abandon all your dresses, hairs, beards etc (laughter). Please cut and shave your hair and beard a little. All these old things you are carrying. In the language of Ravi Thakur (Tagore), ’achala aitan’ and bourgeois in their language. Listen a bit to the word of the child Sukadeva, please change  all of your bourgeois things a little

Srila Prabhupada: No beard or hair

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: No beard or hair, even clothes are not there! (laughter). You all are clothed people. There is world consciousness, you are still in the relativity of bhoga (enjoyment), that is why you are clothed.

Srila Prabhupada: Vyasdeva was told by the ladies, ‘you are a clothed man’

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: ”tatibe….”

 

Srila Prabhupada: One of our girls drew a picture that they wore clothes when they saw Vyasdeva but not seeing Sukadeva.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: But there should be a note given,

Srila Prabhupada: There is a note.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: In cid-vilasa (spiritual world) there is clothes. Here it is not there sometimes for naked people here. But when they go to cid-vilasa (spiritual world), then as the conception there

Srila Prabhupada: there is dress of their own 

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: that is different. All these clothes etc all comes back.

Srila Prabhupada: Everything is there in cid-vilasa.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: but it is..

Srila Prabhupada: but nothing like these which are here

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: these are denial.

Srila Prabhupada: it is an imitation.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: things here are in denial. Complete denial of this mundane civilization is Sukadeva who does not consider the necessity of a cloth. He does not consider your cloth a necessity, he urinates on your prosperity, all attainments here. No attainment can charm him because he does not want a cloth even to wrap around. So the complete discarding of this civilization. Then begins the other land campaign.” Parinisthita….”. Brahma [the impersonal Brahman] means the largest, infinite. That has been measured, weighed. That has been completely weighed, measured. Brahma is this much percentage, Narayana is this much percent, this percent is Dvaraka, this percent in Ramacandra, a full estimation.

Srila Prabhupada: cent percent

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: cent percent is Krsna in Vrndavana. In this way this has been measured.

Srila Prabhupada: “Param Brahma param dhama pavitram paramo bhavan”.

[PURPORT
Brahman means brhattva, the greatest of all. The greatest of all is Sri Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He possesses all potencies and opulence in full; therefore the Absolute Truth, the greatest of all, is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Whether one says “Brahman” or “the Supreme Personality of Godhead,” the fact is the same, for they are identical. In the Bhagavad-gita, Arjuna accepted Krsna as param brahma param dhama [Bg. 10.12]. Although the living entities or material nature are sometimes described as Brahman, Para-brahman — the Supreme, the greatest of all Brahmans — is still Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is full with all opulences, and as such He possesses all riches, all strength, all reputation, all knowledge, all beauty and all renunciation. He is eternally a person and eternally supreme. If one tries to explain the Supreme impersonally, one distorts the real meaning of Brahman.
CC, Madhya 6.140
]

 

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: This Brahma-samhita “idam bhagavata nama…”. In another interpretation.

Srila Prabhupada: accepted by the Vedas.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Veda. Brahma-samhitam equally stand in place with the Vedas. Samhitam, brahma samhitam.” Bhagavat nam…..” Mahaprourishika, not an ordinary type of student you are. I understand you are a real enquirer, enquirer of truth and I shall fill up your thirst. Certainly. That is your..

Srila Prabhupada: right student

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: right

Srila Prabhupada: mahapaurusa

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: mahapaurisika. Paurusika means he is aspiring for the purusartha. Not running after fleeting desires but who is master of his own..own..

Srila Prabhupada: interest.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: home. And has a patient position to enquire what is really beneficial to him.

Srila Prabhupada: ‘sartha gaim’

Srila Sridhara Maharaja:’ sartha gatim….’ . You are real searcher of truth. You are real research student and I shall fill up your..

Srila Prabhupada: aspiration.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: aspiration.” Maha paurisika bhavan’. And other rishis are also.. they are dumped [dumbed??] (speechless), nothing to speak, remark. With folded palm patiently hearing what this boy said. The boy of sixteen, he is bringing..

Srila Prabhupada: If you manufacture one palanquin… Palanquin. You know palanquin? Then sometimes you can carry Sridhara Maharaja there. Yes. It will be great service and benefit for you. Because he’s, he’s very now…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Feeble.

Srila Prabhupada: Feeble now. So palanquin is all right. He can be carried in palanquin.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Hare Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada: Now, in our country palanquin is good.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: It will be a ludicrous exhibit, sitting demonstration…

Srila Prabhupada: No, why? All aristocratic kings, they were carried by palanquin.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Yes, it was previously.

Srila Prabhupada: And…

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Now the motor car has taken place and the more advanced…

Srila Prabhupada: Motor, motor car, there is jerking.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: …helicopter.

Srila Prabhupada: Now, now we, this, recently, before coming here, one of my students, Syamasundara, he took me from the airport on helicopter to my temple, and he spent one thousand pounds for that rascal thing. Unnecessarily. “Why you have spent unnecessarily?” No.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: What this mundane mind?

Indian: Will you not have a little water.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: who you..give here..

Srila Prabhupada:  Maharaj you..

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: I had saboo once. I will have little vegetable in ekadashi after that..

Srila Prabhupada: your food is like that..mine is also becoming..

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: eating muri means..cheat the stomach.( laughter)

Srila Prabhupada: (laughing) that is not a real food. You just feel that you had some food.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: it is not solid..filled with air and quickly vanishes.Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna.” Sloka”.

Srila Prabhupada: You are giving them?

Devotee: Will give them a little later

 

Srila Prabhupada: fine…
(end)

 

 

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