The Road to Deviation, Deception & Deceit

The following three emails are offered as background to the issues discussed in the newest edition of “The Acharyas Dialogue #7 – Deviation, Deception & Deceit“.

 

From:        BK Giri <[email protected]>
Subject:     Todays phone call.
Date:         April 8, 2011 11:04:53 AM EDT
To:             Mahananda <[email protected]>

 

Dear Sriman Mahananda Prabhu,

 

Please accept my humble obeisances.

 

Prabhu, I sent the below enclosed text as a response to a few devotees who have been asking me about the stories regarding Srila Acharya Maharaja.

 

You understand I have to respond to questions. I hope you don’t find my response outside the bounds of my conversation with you today.

 

I was very sincere in what I told you regarding your service there during the time of our two predecessor Acharyas and now Srila Acharya Maharaja. Srila Govinda Maharaja was very clear in his Will, and personally, about the important function you serve there as “Srila Guru Maharaja’s secretary.” I have made the argument that one reading of Srila Gurudeva’s Will shows you as holding the highest position, even above that of Acharya Maharaja. I pray you will not be dissuaded in any way from continuing in spite of all the difficulties that must certainly present themselves at your doorstep. Of course, I have no reason to think you would be dissuaded, which is why you are serving in the important capacity you have been given.

 

As always, please don’t hesitate to call upon me if I can help you in any way.

 

I pray this finds you well in all respects.

Sincerely yours,
Giri Maharaja

 

The following is an excerpt from some emails I sent to inquiring devotees.

In response to your most recent emails, such as the one below, I thought I must call Prabhu Mahananda to see if I can figure out what is what. He was very straight and forthright with me. He did not hesitate to answer any of my questions.

I ask that you consider what I’m telling you as somewhat confidential. I think it’s reasonable to discuss these things privately with senior persons in our mission. I do not intend what I’m saying to become part of any public forum.

Publicly I would do what you told me Prabhu xxxxxxxx is doing, reinforce in the minds of our devotees and the public what is the proper standard for an Acharya in accordance with guru, shastra and sadhu.

That said, probably the most notable thing that I took away from our talk is that the young lady from Brazil is not accusing the Acharya of having a “gross sexual relationship” with her. That is, no “bedding” as you had been told.

In addition, “Nothing was seen” by anyone.

I am not comfortable writing about the details of what I learned. I can say this; I would characterize the situation as one where this lady is accusing the Acharya of pursuing her with inappropriate affection.

Next, this young lady’s reason for returning to Brazil is because she felt uncomfortable being in this situation.

She did not speak directly with Sriman Mahananda about these events. He got the news from several ladies she spoke to directly. They believed what she was telling them was credible and consistent with the opportunities for such behavior to occur. Her story was also consistently told to several ladies and, over a period of time.

Acharya Maharaja’s reaction to the accusations is that he has done nothing wrong.

In my opinion, based on the above information, I believe the accusations are serious enough and credible enough for me to conclude, based on my familiarity with Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s reaction to such things, that it would be best for Srila Acharya Maharaja to stop initiating for a period of at least six months to a year while his interactions with women are restricted and closely monitored by trusted senior devotees.

What has been accepted for now is that he will continue to initiate while his actions are being closely observed. Although I would personally favor a halt to initiations, the more modest actions that are being taken are not unreasonable, based on what I know.

He cannot be stopped from initiating. I would not suggest to anyone that they accept him as their guru until I was satisfied he was properly situated. If asked by such a person, I would recommend they wait for six months or so before asking for initiation.

If you would like to discuss any of this further I will be happy to talk with you.

Giri Maharaja

 

From:        Mahananda <[email protected]>
Subject:     Todays phone call.
Date:          April 9, 2011 11:06:47 AM EDT
To:             BK Giri <[email protected]>

 

Dear Sripad Giri Maharaj,

 

Please accept my humble obeisances. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to look over your reply to the devotees.

 

Maharaj, I have no objection. A small point is that it wasn’t just ladies that xxxxxxxx DD directly spoke with, but gents as well.

 

It *is* a difficult time, and your Vaishnava good wishes are much appreciated and much needed.

 

With my repeated obeisances,

Mahananda Das B.R.

 

From:        BK Giri <[email protected]>
Subject:     Your video
Date:          April 15, 2011 6:36:07 AM EDT
To:              BN Acharya <[email protected]>
Cc:               [email protected], Bimal Avadhut, Bhakti <[email protected]>, Bhakti Vijay Trivikrama <[email protected]>, Bhakti Pavan Janardan, Maharaj <[email protected]>, Bhakti Ashram-1 <[email protected]>, Bhakti Goswami <[email protected]>, Mahananda <[email protected]>

 

Dear Srila Acharya Maharaja,

 

Please accept my humble obeisances.

 

Maharaja, this morning I saw the recent video of your Holiness addressing the devotees of our Mission. With it was a caption reading “encouraging everyone to continue in Krishna consciousness and keep within the shelter of the senior sannyasis of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math.”

 

It must have been difficult for you to offer such an address, but you showed the courage to do it and I want you to know I admire your courage and determination to continue your important seva to Srila Gurudeva and his followers, even in the face of the many adversities you have had to experience, especially since his disappearance.

 

I also took the time this morning to listen to Sripada Goswami Maharaja’s talk titled “The guiding principal is to avoid Vaisnava aparadh.” He said something I found to be of great interest, (paraphrasing) “One who acts quickly will be quick to repent.” This is certainly good advice and I will take this opportunity to suggest you and the other members of the International Acharya Board follow it.

 

You (the Board), following the direction of Sripada Goswami Maharaja, acted very quickly to create the illusion that your Holiness was the preeminent Acharya above all the others.

 

Goswami Maharaja even went so far as to audaciously insist the rest of us “defer” to you and act only as your rtviks, a proposal you accepted, encouraged and supported. Even in your recent letter to us, dated March 23 of this year, rather than repent for your mistaken action, you express your belief that it was the proper course:

 

“I must also express my genuine appreciation and indebtedness to my fellow Acharyas, as in the last year they have deferred to me to help establish me and maintain the stability of the Mission.”

 

Although I refused to accept the illusion of Goswami Maharaja, you were largely successful in getting what you wanted, recognition as the only true successor to Srila Govinda Maharaja, the only “President-Sevaite Acharya of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, Navadwipa and Worldwide”, as it was advertised throughout our Mission.

 

Now widespread bewilderment has erupted within the worldwide Mission. Our devotees are dismayed over accusations regarding your personal conduct.

 

They have also been left to wonder how the Acharyas of our mission, who were once expected to “defer” to you, are now suddenly expected to reverse their deferments and become the ones to be relied upon for spiritual initiation and direction. In this context, perhaps you could tell me how, exactly, the lie of the “One World Acharya” has helped to “maintain the stability of the Mission”?

 

Maharaja, this was the wrong action when it was quickly taken (April 7 of last year), against my objections, and yet there is no repentance, either by you or the other members of the International Acharya Board.

 

Instead, in your most recent video, that I referred to above, you are still advising the devotees of our Mission to take shelter of this same International Acharya Board that propagated so much misconception within our society rather than directing their attention to a properly formed Acharya Sabha that Srila Gurudeva directed his successor initiating Acharyas to form.

 

What is the reason for ignoring Srila Gurudeva’s direction to form an Acharya Sabha, comprised of initiating Acharyas? It is being ignored at the insistence of Sripada Goswami Maharaja in order to create another illusion, that Srila Gurudeva intended him to be a seventh Acharya but was remiss in naming him as such in his Will.

 

I also want to directly address the so-called rumors that abound regarding the accusations against you by the young woman from Brazil. I understand you deny her accusations to be true. Only the two of you know the truth of this matter.

 

After familiarizing myself with the available evidence, I personally believe the accusations she made are true.

 

That does not mean I will abandon you or Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, at least not yet.

 

Certainly the events of this past year have given me ample reason to completely disassociate myself from those of you who have shown such a willingness to leave the directions Srila Gurudeva gave to us in his Will to chart your own course independently of those directions.

 

Your inappropriate personal behavior, now widely ridiculed by so many and causing alarming disturbance, compounds the impulse for me to “fly away” before my name is also tarnished by the unfortunate actions of the otherwise respected leaders and Acharyas of our Mission.

 

I am tolerating these things, even though some of my respected friends have advised against it.

 

I am tolerating because I do not want to “Act quickly and be quick to repent.” While I was previously hopeful (full of hope) that things will be set right, I am at least still “hoping against hope” they will be.

 

My first concern is for those who have joined this great world-wide Mission as disciples and followers of our great preceptors. I do not want them to be disappointed by finding that the pure line of Krishna Consciousness, for which they came to the lotus feet of our gurus, is no longer available within the Mission they founded and nurtured. Next, I want to lend my help and support to maintaining the dignity of our Divine Masters. Finally, I am personally obliged to Srila Govinda Maharaja to make every effort to serve his Divine vision for the world-wide Mission he created.

 

Maharaja, I think you, and the other senior leaders, are also tolerating me for the same reasons I just expressed. That is not lost on me. Just as it would be easy for me to abandon the ship it seems to me you are sinking, it might seem easier for you to finally dispense with me, to eliminate the disturbance you feel I am causing.

 

Whether it is me who is tolerating, or you, we must expect each of us will have a limit to such tolerance. I pray we do not reach those limits.

 

I also want to take this opportunity to say, although I believe the accusations made against you by the young woman are true, I also believe you can recover from such a temporary setback. You are a vaishnava, it is not such a great fault for a vaishnava, it is, however, a great fault for an Acharya.

 

I have heard some devotees are demanding a public apology or admission from you. I doubt that would be helpful.

 

In your position, as an Acharya of our Mission, I don’t believe you need admit your mistake to anyone. I don’t think anyone should expect that. What you did, you know. Srila Gurudeva also knows. If the accusation is true, you will succeed as an Acharya by admitting the fault to yourself, repent for the ill conceived action you took too quickly, and vow that you will never allow yourself to do such a thing, ever. Srila Gurudeva will then surely come to help you. You will also continue to get the encouragement and support of all of us who want very much to see you succeed in the position Srila Gurudeva gave you.

 

Maharaja, I must also strenuously urge you to please, voluntarily, stop giving initiations for some time. I would suggest at least six months to one year. Perhaps this is what you were indicating you would do on the video I saw.

 

You can make any excuse for halting initiations. The reason you give seems unimportant to me, but you must stop. Srila Guru Maharaja in a similar case involving his Godbrother, Prabhu Ananta Vasudeva, advised that he “leave his Acharya post” while getting nourishment from those Godbrothers who were his affectionate well-wishers.

 

Srila Guru Maharaja also gave some advice that I believe was a little different in situations involving some ISKCON guru’s who where unable to maintain the proper standard. To the best of my knowledge he advised them to remain at their posts while correcting themselves. (Sripada Goswami Maharaja may know something more specific about this.) I suggest you follow this line of action.

 

If you feel you can correct yourself (As I believe you can.), then it will be unnecessarily disruptive to leave the post of Acharya, only to assume it again at a later date. In the meantime, stop initiating.

 

When you are again strong, you can resume giving initiations. You are still the Acharya for the Indian Mission. I don’t believe anyone else should initiate there. But, those who want initiation from you can wait six months, or more if needed, for that opportunity. It is not a problem.

 

In the meantime I know you have so much seva to do for Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Gandharva Govinda Sundarjiu. It is this seva that Srila Gurudeva so much appreciated that caused him to put you in the position of Acharaya and bestow his affectionate blessings upon you. The same attention to your seva will help you now.

 

I most sincerely ask you to consider all I have said and, with the same sincerity, offer myself at your service in any way possible by me.

 

If you would like to read Srila Guru Maharaja’s own words, that I mentioned previously, as they were restated by Srila Govinda Maharaja, I transcribed them below.

 

You can also hear the entire recoding which is available from our website. Since Goswami Maharaja had the link to our website removed from your website, I include it here for your convenience.

 

Srila Govinda Maharaja “The Disappearance of Srila Saraswati Thakur (12/31/93)” @ 41:56

 

Devotee: Maharaja, why Swami Maharaja didn’t like the arrangement, never liked? [Prabhu Ananta Vasudeva as Acharya]

 

Srila Govinda Maharaja: Who will like prabhu? Acharya will go… in the night to the pub. Who will like that? In London? Nobody will like it. First Vasudeva Prabhu [was] hiding that mood, fearful. Until living there [with] Guru Maharaja, he was very fearful, and hiding himself. But some letter come out, and that is love letter. And Guru Maharaja has seen that love letter and Guru Maharaja said “Yes, it is Ananta Vasudeva.” Guru Maharaja knows his writing. Guru Maharaja said “Yes, it is.” Hrdaya Govinda that man’s name. He was the press manager at that time [Gayatri?] Press. I have seen. I met with him many times.

 

Devotee: It was in whose handwriting?

 

SGM: Vasudeva’s. Vasudeva Prabhu’s handwriting, love letter published, Kunja Babhu’s group. And Guru Maharaja believed it. Then Guru Maharaja gave some proposal. “Vasudeva Prabhu [should] leave his Acharya post. He is vaishnava, no doubt. And it is not fault, so much fault. But this is fault for one Acharya. This is point. Then he leave Acharya post. And, shall give nourishment to him. And he may come perfect way. Again he will come perfect.” That was Guru Maharaja’s proposal.

 

Again, I offer my most sincere well-wishes to your Holiness and pray this meets you with double determination to serve our Divine Master.

 

With affection,

Giri Maharaja

 

 

From:        BK Giri <[email protected]>
Subject:     Please Read
Date:          November 6, 2011 12:14:57 PM EDT
To:             xxxxxxxx Prabhu <?>

 

Dear Sriman xxxxxxxx Prabhu,

 

Please accept my humble obeisances.

 

My time is short so I may not be able to address all the issues as completely as I would otherwise do.

 

From your email to [a certain “acharya”] –

 

I found these interesting quotes by Srila Gurudeva that I wanted to share with you. I hope you don’t mind my intrusion.

You gave a wonderful lecture Sunday for the disappearance day of Visvaranya Srila B.V. Swami everybody liked it.

 

“I found these interesting quotes…” Really. You found them? And where did you find them? Why don’t you say?

 

Maybe it’s not such a big point except you are avoiding the real truth. The real truth is I found them, I transcribed them from the original recording and used them in my writing which you read. Then, after I did the research you took that research and used it as if it were your own to avoid mentioning my name.

 

As I said, maybe it’s not such a big point but do you like it when devotees in ISKCON take the points made by Srila Sridhara Maharaja and use them in their preaching without crediting him? Don’t you find it objectionable when the persons you mentioned below, “Tripurari, Narashingha and Paramadwaiti M.” do the same thing? They want to snatch the conception of Srila Sridhara Maharaja and use it for their own purposes rather than for serving him. Otherwise, why would Srila Gurudeva object to what these men do? Why did he say we should not associate with them?

 

Srila Sridhara Maharaja said- “I must go where my spiritual conscience takes me. By God’s will, friends may be converted into foes. Foes may be converted into friends, but I must stick to my ideal.”

 

I don’t understand exactly what is your ideal that allows you to say this:

According to me he [Goswami Maharaja] is an offender of our Srila Gurudev. I don’t see much difference at this point between him, Tripurari, Narashinga and Paramadwaiti M. They also jumped over, stepped on Gurudev’s head, to go directly to Guru Maharaja, disregarding Gurudev and Guru Maharaja’s instructions.

without acknowledging that all the “acharyas” who support the “offender” are in the same category as the offender.

 

Is only Kamsa to be blamed for trying to kill Krishna or should Putana, Aghasura, Trinavarta and so many others be blamed as well? Is Kamsa the only asura and the others all devas?

I don’t see much difference at this point between him, Tripurari, Narashinga and Paramadwaiti M.

What is the difference between BSG and those who support him?

 

To support him they have all jumped over Gurudeva’s head and disregarded his instructions.

I want to call Acharya Maharaja and ask him how he can accept that his picture is on the altars of other Acharya’s Maths. How  can he go along with the speculation of Goswami?

Acharya Maharaja has completely disgraced the chair of the Acharya of our Navadwipa Math and you want him to settle the matter?

 

He was named as the executor of Gurudeva’s Will but he did not execute the instructions Gurudeva gave therein.

 

Next he disgraced the acharya post by pursuing and physically enacting the most disgraceful behavior with the young lady from Brazil. The IAB continued to support him and promote him as the preeminent acharya of your guru’s Mission.

 

The following is from a letter I recently wrote.

The International Acharya Board has shown they are willing to support an acharya who they know, or should know, is entirely unfit:

Guru Maharaja gave some proposal. “Vasudeva Prabhu leave his Acharya post. He is vaishnava, no doubt. And it is not fault, so much fault. But this is fault for one Acharya. This is point. Then he leave Acharya post. And, shall give nourishment to him. And he may come perfect way. Again he will come perfect.” That was Guru Maharaja’s proposal.—Srila Govinda Maharaja

The situation described above came about from the discovery of a love letter to a woman from the then Acharya of Gaudiya Math, Prabhu Ananta Vasudeva. Srila Sridhara Maharaja could not tolerate such behavior and led a revolt against the acharya.

The situation with Acharya Maharaja and the young woman from Brazil was far worse than the writing of a love letter. Yet the IAB chose to do nothing except continue to promote him as the preeminent acharya of the worldwide Mission.

Not only did he not leave his post as acharya, as he should have done, he would not even stop initiating. He has disgraced the seat of the Acharya of Navadwipa and their response is to do nothing and say nothing except to accuse the woman telling the story of lying, while knowing she must certainly be telling the truth.

Your friend, his daughter and the entire family is suffering as a result of these actions. The entire Mission is suffering from these disgraceful actions. What is the position of the IAB? Vilify, condemn, brand as an offender, anyone who has the eyes to see the truth.

Prabhu Nishikanta Sannyal was a very dear friend of Prabhu Ananta Vasudeva. He threatened to put into prison anyone who accepted the validity of Ananta Vasudeva’s signature on the love letter written by him to some woman. Guru Maharaja didn’t care. He told plainly “It is his signature.” which created a revolt against Ananta Vasudeva.

Sannyal didn’t care. He continued to support Ananta Vasudeva and forced everyone who wouldn’t support him to leave, get out of “Gaudiya Math”. Many important members were forced out including Srila Sridhara Maharaja and Srila Swami Maharaja.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja told Sannyal “I know you will not leave Vasudeva Prabhu. If he goes to hell, you will go with him.”

You can continue to support xxxxxxxx Maharaja [a certain “acharya”], telling him how nice his classes are, and he will continue to support Goswami Maharaja who also gives very nice classes, but you run the same risk as Professor Sannyal who was prepared to go to hell with Ananta Vasudeva, who gave very nice classes.

 

How nice were the classes of Ananta Vasudeva? Srila Sridhara Maharaja himself thought that among the disciples of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakura, Ananta Vasudeva’s presentation of Guadiya philosophy was the best. Therefore he supported him as acharya. Still he immediately left Ananta Vasudeva when he was sure the love letters were real.

 

I sent this to someone recently:

 

I believe most of the devotees in our Mission have heard something about Sripada Acharya Maharaja’s misbehavior with the young lady from Brazil. For the most part they seem to have been told, as I was told by Sripada Avadhuta Maharaja, “It’s only a gossip.”

 

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:53 PM, George Aistov <[email protected]> wrote:

Mj i think <WEIT andSEE is the Best its only Gosip , i hope for his sekses

 

On Apr 3, 2011, at 8:44 PM, BK Giri  <[email protected]> wrote:

Dandavats,

Maharaja, I think you either don’t know the truth or are not telling me the truth.

In either case, I don’t believe “its only Gosip.”

Giri Maharaja

 

From: George Aistov <[email protected]>
Subject:     Re: From Giri Maharaja
Date:     April 3, 2011 11:26:26 AM EDT

NO van see any sink . this Lady is only taling her story , bat how mach to belive her im not shur, so its only aqyzeishen

Our devotees have also seen that nothing has been done to resolve this serious matter except to try and hide it and accuse the lady of lying about it. This has caused her and her family great anxiety, unnecessarily. What is her offense?

 

She merely confided in some of her Godsisters, as she should do, that these incidents had occurred. They, naturally, made an issue of it by bringing the matter to the attention of senior devotees, as they should do.

 

When the news began to circulate, as it must, Acharya Maharaja denied it, meaning he was indirectly accusing the young woman of lying and trying to sully his otherwise spotless reputation.

 

Because she would not recant her story, which she believes to be true, she has been ostracized and become an outcaste among her devotee community in Brazil which have apparently accepted the lie that Gurudeva selected only one acharya and therefore they ignore Sripada Trivikrama Maharaja, the only acharya actually named for Brazil.

 

As you can see I do not believe the story is only gossip.

 

[Prabhu] xxxxxxxx, do you believe “its only Gosip?”

 

Do you think everything will be OK if only one photo is exchanged for another [exchange Acharya Maharaja’s photo for that of the certain “acharya” named for a certain zone]? Is that the extent of the problem?

 

The photos are the symptom of the problem, they are not the problem. The problem is the other acharyas of our Mission will not follow the predecessor Acharya of the Mission.

 

Perhaps you do not want to admit this fact. OK that is your choice, you can do as you like. Everyone can see only what they want to see and live in a fantasy world.

 

There are some that still find the association of Swarupananda desirable. Their power of discrimination is weak so they think he could not have changed that much, and choose to remember his previous form rather than acknowledge his current position. The fact is that his real position, his ontological position, is the same now as it was then. Previously by following our gurus, he was able to hide and keep his underlying nature in check.

 

One may transform from laghu to guru. One does not go from guru to laghu. That is against our principles.

 

Who is guru is following his guru. That is the first and most important principle. Guru is non-different from Krishna. One cannot ignore guru and be a follower of Krishna.

The reason why he [BSG] joined Gurudeva’s mission 10 years ago is becoming clear. He could not get his desired position anywhere else. But Gurudeva did not give the position of initiating Acharya to him and he became angry inside but was not showing it outwardly. As a typical rogue he had to cheat, steal and manipulate the minds of innocent and simple devotees of our mission.

Why Goswami Maharaja joined Gurudeva’s Mission 10 years ago, who can say? It doesn’t matter. What matters is what he has done after Gurudeva’s disappearance. After that time he could do nothing without the support of the IAB.

 

As Guru Maharaja remarked about the GBC “They are using dollars, diplomacy and despotism in the name of devotion dedication and Divinity” I have seen, and you must also be seeing it, that the IAB is practicing deviation, deception and deceit in the name of devotion, dedication and Divinity.

 

My position on this matter has been clear for a long time. On February 2 this year I posted the article “Acharya Sabha, Simplified.” In that article I wrote:

Until Gurudeva’s direction is respected, I will not participate in events or places under the control of those who choose to substitute their own will for the Will of Srila Govinda Maharaja. To do so would set a bad example for others in our Mission. My conscience will not allow that.

I think I am showing the proper example. It is very akin to the advice Srila Gurudeva gave to some of his disciples:

“He (Sagar) will be okay but those that follow him will go to hell” and to me he asked simply if i was his man or Sagar Maharaj’s, to which i replied that i was his (Srila Govinda Maharaja’s).

As I am showing one example, those who continue to follow the IAB, who blatantly disregard Srila Gurudeva’s directions, or associate with those that follow them, are showing an example also, that it is more important to follow them than Srila Gurudeva.

I talk with devotees from time to time and, believe me, there is a lot of confusion and nonsense going on.

When the leaders are confused everyone following them will be confused. That is natural.

 

The devotees may also be confused when they see you are saying the IAB are disregarding Gurudeva’s directions yet you continue to find their association very desirable.

You gave a wonderful lecture Sunday for the disapperance day of Visvaranya Srila B.V. Swami everybody liked it.

You may say you are practicing some diplomacy. Diplomacy can be used in Krishna’s service. But, do you think you will be able to do what Srila Gurudeva said he could not do, which is what he said Srila Sridhara Maharaja and Srila Swami Maharaja could not do, harmonize the different factions of Gaudiya Math?

 

How will you harmonize those who will not follow Srila Govinda Maharaja, which means even he could not harmonize them?

 

Will you create your own World Vaishnava Association as Paramadwaiti Maharaja did and invite us all to join? I, like Srila Govinda Maharaja, would certainly never join such a thing.

 

The IAB will not follow Srila Govinda Maharaja’s directions. They have proven it. They have all jumped over his head. We may not like it but it is the fact.

 

I pray this finds you well in all respects.

 

Sincerely yours,

Giri Maharaj

 

17 thoughts on “The Road to Deviation, Deception & Deceit

  1. Dear Giri Maharaja,

    I find this blog disturbing and not at all representing the mood of Guru Maharaja Sridhara Dev Goswami.

    Thakura Bhaktivinoda forbid us to highlight the past sins of bona-fide Vaisnavas; therefore publicizing the missions “dirty laundry’ and the indiscretions of (now reformed) Sudhir Goswami and Acharya Maharaja (calling him a disgrace to the mission) does not enhance your own Krsna conscious credibility. Consider how Guru Maharaja treated Jayatirtha M. (with the utmost in kindness and respect) after he had apparently rectified his behavior. Guru Maharaja’s only harsh words were directed towards those who wanted to build themselves up by tearing Jayathirtha down.

    Guru Maharaja said–Krsna consciousness is the opposite of mundane politics where to secure a political position you must tear others down. Vaisnavism is opposite in that when you give position you gain position, and when you try to take away someone’s rightful position you lose position.

    Which brings me to my next point. It’s a travesty to say that Tripurari, Narashinga and Paramadwaiti M. stepped on Govinda Maharaja’s head, disregarded Guru Maharaja’s instructions and so forth in establishing their own missions. Indeed, establishing their own missions was Guru Maharaja’s specific instruction to them and during his presence they were all accepted members in good standing of the confederation he named and established (the Maha Mandal). In particular when Tripurari Swami asked him for service Guru Maharaja told him to establish a preaching mission on behalf of his Gurudev, saying that he would be in the background to help him. Swami followed this instruction and was always welcome and encouraged by Sridhara Dev Goswami, and only after Guru Maharaja passed away did all this nonsense slander became commonplace in SCSM. Thus I find yours and others accusations in this regard erroneous and entirely unjustified. (As you know I was there from the beginning and have much more that I could say on this matter.)

    So again: “In Vaisnavism when you give position you gain position, and when you try to tear others down you lose position.” So instead of airing the ‘dirty laundry’ and tearing down your fellow godbrothers, you should simply preach the truth and live it such that people will be inspired to follow and take initiation from you. That’s the real guru formula.

    Sincerely, Brahma dasa

    .

    • My dear Brahma Prabhu,

      Thank you for offering your comments and the chance for me to respond to them.

      I will only reply in brief because I want to respond to your comments in a timely fashion.

      Unfortunately I think you have entered into what amounts to a domestic dispute with very little knowledge of the facts or frame of reference of the disputing parties. You do so at your own peril and run the risk of becoming the enemy of both. In that respect I have to say I don’t think you’ve done yourself any good with your remarks.

      As one who yourself decided many years ago to follow those who chose to deviate from the instructions of Srila Swami Maharaja and Srila Sridhara Maharaja, it is no surprise you have now chosen to side with those who have deviated from the instructions given by Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s chosen successor, Srila Govinda Maharaja.

      For a long time, beginning shortly after Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s disappearance you have made no secret of the fact that you have joined with and support those who are properly categorized as guru bhogi, those who utilize their guru(s) for the purpose of exploitation.

      Now at the first opportunity, taking advantage of his disappearance, you want to exploit another guru, Srila Govinda Maharaja, with whom you had no relationship whatsoever of any substance and who, because of your associates abuse of Srila Sridhara Maharaja, felt compelled to warn us against your association.

      You once had a bright future as a dedicated servant of His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhakti Vedanta Swami Maharaja. After his disappearance you offered substantial help to Sripada Goswami Maharaja who was very much appreciated by Srila Sridhara Maharaja and Srila Govinda Maharaja as well as their disciples and followers for the wonderful work he did in a variety of ways, the acme being the printing of five famous books derived from Srila Guru Maharaja’s transcribed recordings of his talks.

      Unfortunately you left this auspicious path of seva performed under the watchful eye of our Divine Masters.

      After Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s disappearance you could not see that your associates became asat sangha, very bad association. They behaved as jealous, envious persons in the guise of Vaishnava gurus that heralded the teachings of Srila Sridhara Maharaja but would not follow his direction. Thus, they became empty vessels memorizing and parroting exalted spiritual teachings with little internal realization of them.

      That they never accepted Srila Govinda Maharaja in the manner Srila Sridhara Maharaja directed, is the only proof needed to substantiate my assertion that they began to make a trade on the good name of Srila Sridhara Maharaja. They exploited him rather than adopt any sort of service relationship with him in the only manner acceptable to him, serving Srila Govinda Maharaja.

      Although there was plenty of opportunity for sat sangha through Srila Govinda Maharaja’s many visits to California where it would have been easy for you to get his association, you avoided it.

      You chose not to seek or take his association just as those mentioned in the letters you’re writing about, Sripadas Tripurari Maharaja, Narasingha Maharaja and Paramadwaiti Maharaja also purposely avoided Srila Govinda Maharaja’s association because they could not tolerate that he was chosen as Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s only successor.

      If there was ever anyone who represented the “mood” of Srila Sridhara Maharaja, it could only have been one person, Srila Govinda Maharaja, and you found his “mood” objectionable.

      In that light, I am not at all unhappy to read your statement “I find this blog disturbing and not at all representing the mood of Guru Maharaja Sridhara Dev Goswami.” Indeed I am comforted to know that those who are inimical to Srila Gurudeva are disturbed by me.

      “I find this blog disturbing and not at all representing the mood of Guru Maharaja Sridhara Dev Goswami.”

      I don’t know what your “mood” ring is telling you today, nor do I care.

      Your mood is clear and it has not changed since Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s dissappearance in 1988. Your “mood” is to support those who will not follow his direction stated as:

      “Those who have any regard for me should give this respect and position to Govinda Maharaj as my successor.”

      I am not the first to make this observation about your “mood” and that of those you have come to these pages to support.

      Srila Govinda Maharaja knew your mood very well and therefore told us, his disciples and followers, to avoid the association of those you support, specifically Sripadas Tripurari Maharaja, Narasingha Maharaja and Paramadwaiti Maharaja.

      Śrīla Guru Mahārāj gave very clear directives for his sampradāya saying, “Who wants to follow me and my directives, he can come to Śrī Chaitanya Sāraswat Maṭh and follow Govinda Mahārāj as my successor.” He gave very clear directives on many occasions and in many ways—and everyone knows it.

      No two things are ever exactly the same. There will never be a second, identical Srila Sridhara Maharaja.

      I don’t claim to, or feel the responsibility to, represent the “mood” of Srila Sridhara Maharaja as interpreted by a long list of ne’er-do-wells of which you one. My responsibility to him is to represent his teachings without change or interpretation.

      If I am truly fortunate, however, by his grace I may get something of his mood which he described as:

      “Wherever there is truth, sincerely I must go there. I cannot deceive my own conscience”

      If there is any “mood” I am trying to cultivate, it is that one. I hope you and all reading this will adopt a similar ambition.

      You continue:

      “Thakura Bhaktivinoda forbid us to highlight the past sins of bona-fide Vaisnavas; therefore publicizing the missions “dirty laundry’ and the indiscretions of (now reformed) Sudhir Goswami and Acharya Maharaja (calling him a disgrace to the mission) does not enhance your own Krsna conscious credibility.”

      Who are these “bona-fide Vaisnavas” you refer to?

      Surely you don’t mean those I mentioned as practicing deviation, deception and deceit in the name of devotion, dedication and Divinity. Are these the practices of “bona-fide Vaisnavas?”

      But even if you say “Yes, these are the bona-fide Vaisnavas” about whom I am highlighting “the past sins”, I am still mystified as I do not recall mentioning anyone’s past “sins”.

      Goswami Maharaja is an out and out impostor in the guise of an acharya of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. It may not be pleasant to hear but it is the truth. If he was reformed, why would he behave in this way?

      If you want to do some good for him you should offer him your help and support to start his own Math and Mission completely separate from Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math as you did before. Then, as before, he can be a guru and you can supply the funds for his propaganda work.

      He should thereby do what he demanded others do who want to be acharyas, but were not named by Srila Govinda Maharaja; leave the Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math without disturbance and initiate outside at their own risk. This is the honorable course to take and Srila Gurudeva made some allowance for persons who want to follow this path.

      Sripada Goswami Maharaja seems to have no shortage of followers and supporters. It should be an easy transition for him to fire up the Krishna Consciousness Movement once again and pick up where he left off unencumbered by the burden of knowing the title of acharya whimsically conferred upon him by his friends can be rescinded just as easily on another whim.

      As for Sripada Acharya Maharaja being “a disgrace to the mission.” How would you characterize an acharya who pursues and forces a physical relationship upon a young woman as I, and many close to the situation, believe he did?

      Srila Govinda Maharaja had the following to say regarding the far less objectionable behavior of the first acharya of Gaudiya Math after Srila Saraswati Thakura. I don’t know if you missed reading this in other places or you ignore it because you are accustomed to ignoring Srila Govinda Maharaja. Maybe this time you will get the import of what he’s saying.

      Devotee: Maharaja, why Swami Maharaja didn’t like the arrangement, never liked?

      Srila Govinda Maharaja: Who will like prabhu? Acharya will go… in the night to the pub. Who will like that? In London? Nobody will like it. First Vasudeva Prabhu hiding that mood, fearful. Until living there Guru Maharaja, he was very fearful, and hiding himself. But some letter come out, and that is love letter. And Guru Maharaja has seen that love letter and Guru Maharaja said “Yes [it is Ananta Vasudeva].” Guru Maharaja knows his writing. Guru Maharaja said “Yes, it is.” Hrdaya Govinda that man’s name. He was the press manager at that time [Gayatri] Press. I have seen. I met with him many times.

      Devotee: It was in whose handwriting?

      SGM: Vasudeva’s. Vasudeva Prabhu’s handwriting, love letter published, Kunja Babhu’s group. And Guru Maharaja believed it. Then Guru Maharaja gave some proposal. “Vasudeva Prabhu leave his Acharya post. He is vaishnava, no doubt. And it is not fault, so much fault. But this is fault for one Acharya. This is point. Then he leave Acharya post. And, shall give nourishment to him. And he may come perfect way. Again he will come perfect.” That was Guru Maharaja’s proposal.

      Do you get it Brahma Prabhu? “this is fault for one Acharya. This is point. Then he leave Acharya post.”

      Do you get the point? “this is fault for one Acharya. This is point. Then he leave Acharya post.”

      And for anyone else who still doesn’t get it “this is fault for one Acharya. This is point. Then he leave Acharya post.”

      So again: “In Vaisnavism when you give position you gain position, and when you try to tear others down you lose position.”

      Apparently your reason for addressing me is to give me position so that you will get a better position.

      No thanks. I want no position conferred by you.

      If that means you don’t get a better position yourself, you could try your hand with Sripadas Tripurari Maharaja and company.

      Oh, that’s right, you already have.

      And look, you didn’t get a better position you became useless.

      acaryera mata yei, sei mata sara
      tanra ajna langhi’ cale, sei ta’ asara

      “The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless.” — CC Adi 12.10

      You used to ridicule those who behaved as “Dancing dogs in the hands of a woman.” Then you became one.

      It’s not a comment on the grhasta ashrama, there is no shame in that life, but there is in yours.

      Then one master wasn’t enough to satisfy your appetite. You lost interest in the quality of the food you were getting and thought a greater quantity would satisfy you.

      You diluted the pure spiritual nourishment you were getting from our Divine Masters with polluted, contaminated scraps of food containing the poison of “Dollars, diplomacy and despotism in the name of devotion, dedication and Divinity.”

      You didn’t get healthier by increasing the quantity of food, you became sickly, emaciated and now I can hardly recognize you as the once effulgent leader of large groups of similarly effulgent brahmachari preachers, book distributors and collectors out to serve their great guru with a spirit of utmost dedication.

      Okay, you’ve done your barking for your masters. I suggest you return to them for a pat on the head and a biscuit and think twice before you come again to this yard to do your barking.

      This is not the place for such things.

      It should have been obvious that our website is to serve the spiritual needs of the devotees of our Mission and guide sincere seekers of Krishna Consciousness. It is not a place for dogs to congregate and drown out, with their howling cries, the pure sounds vibrated by our Divine Guardians.

      If you should return here in an attempt to entice others with your misconceived notions of Krishna Consciousness, I’ll take great pleasure showing you to be not only useless, but stupid.

      So please, as one old friend to another, heed this warning, this territory is “Posted, Sincere Seekers Only, Others Enter at Your Own Risk.”

      You were very likable and, more importantly, useful as a dedicated servant of Srila Prabhupada and important supporter of one who left his mark on history by printing Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s books, while accepting his guidance.

      I would be very happy to see you adopt that “mood” once again.

      I wish you the best of luck.

      Yours truly,

      Giri Maharaja

  2. I would say that Brahma prabhu needs to investigate the much discussed relationship between Tripurari Swami and his secretary Vrindaranya.

    Years ago, I discussed Srila Govinda Maharaj with him and he stated that Srila Govinda Maharaj is not a true follower of Srila Sridhar Maharaj.

    In light of this, I say that everything Brahma Prabhu has said has no foundation.

    Srila Sridhar Maharajas will is everything, he deputed Srila Govinda Maharaj as his successor only…besides, we see that Narasihma Maharaj has so much arca Vigraha puja going on in his math and there are things about Paramadvaita Swami also…

    Why Brahma brings up these people who used Srila Sridhar Maharaj for their own name and fame? Publishing his books without sanction and so on?

    It is well known that all three sanyasis mentioned by Brahma refused to work within iskcon, went to Srila Sridhar Maharaj and because they were not deputed as diksa gurus, decided to thus set up their own societies so they could be gurus.

    Are they flourishing? I think not…not only that, Tripurari Swami tries to copy some of Srila Sridhar Maharajs Gita commentary in his own attempted gita.

    So , Brahma Prabhu, what say you to all this?

  3. Dear Giri Maharaja,

    Your peers at SCSM have already censured you so I know that I’m not alone in my evaluation that your blog does not represent the mood of Srila Sridhara Maharaja. Indeed, your peers are so disgusted that none even bother to reply to you anymore.

    Neither does your vitriolic personal attack on me reflect the compassionate teachings of Srila Sridhara Maharaja. It certainly doesn’t deal with my objections in a reasonable and balanced manner. It simply illustrates that you want readers to know that you feel a lowdown dirty dog like myself has no right to confront a great sannyasa/acharya like you.

    My reply is that a certificate from Srila Govinda Maharaja does no more make you a bona fide acharya than Srila Prabhupada’s letter made Ramesvara, Hansadutta et al. bona fide acharyas. The certificate only gives you a seat in front of the assembly of devotees; a seat that you are expected to occupy with some Krsna conscious dignity. This blog reflects no such dignity.

    If you agree to discuss the issues between us in a reasonable manner free of personal attack, and to print my points in context without censorship than we can continue. I am more than willing to give you the opportunity to try to make good on your threat to show the world how stupid I am.

    Sincerely, Brahma dasa

  4. Dandavat Maharaj

    I am sorry I have been in touch for a while. I have not communicated with you as I am finding myself strongly disagreeing with the mood you have while dealing with what are supposed issues and deviations by senior devotees of SCSmath.

    As you know, I have listened to your explanations and theories, I have also listened to many others and it appears that what you are proposing is actually shared by only a few devotees.

    I have had long discussions with several senior devotees and they are all standing firm in their faith in Srila Acarya Maharaj as the chosen successor of our Srila Gurudeva . I also have no idea wether the other acaryas as named by Srila Gurudeva are initiating on their own behalf or just encouraging devotees to take diksa from Srila Acarya Maharaj.

    What I do know, is that the current scenario of politics reminds me too much of iskcon and the zonal Acarya days. Perhaps the other acaryas are working to try and avoid this by reccomending sincere seekers to Srila Acarya Maharaja.

    Upon reflection, study and careful consideration, I feel that Srila Acarya Maharaj is a glorious devotee, I find it very very hard to believe the rumours about him. To believe one matajis claim over his stated innocence seems a little risky to me. After all, we have seen the vast amounts of seva that Srila Acarya Maharaj has done, such as build several glorious temples, fundraising, defending the central math from take overs, to name but a few. I also see how he preaches on several videos and to my neophyte eyes, he seems to have lots of Bhakti. He has a lot of energy for service and does not spend hours online just talking like many seem to do.

    It is very clear from countless readings of Srila Gurudevas will that Srila Acarya Maharaj is the leader of our organisation and that the others named were so, to assist him as the mission is growing quickly. If they initiate on their own behalf or wether others are inspired to take diksa from them is a secondary consideration. It is clear that the single guardian ruled family continues and is thriving with Srila Gurudevas choice of successor.

    Despite claims, politics and accusations, preaching is still going on, devotees are happy, books are being printed, new sites created and there are smiling faces.

    I just wish devotees would stop arguing and accusing with absolutely minimal, if any, evidence.

    I left iskcon because of these things and do not wish to see of hear about all this in Srila Gurumaharajs mission.

    I do feel it was in appropriate for Brahma to post what he did, as he is part of a separate mission that is not on harmony with Srila Gurumaharajs conception as continued by Srila Gurudeva and now, Srila Acarya Maharaj.

    I appreciate all the association you have given me in the past and wish the best for you. No one has prompted me to write this, rather, my conscience dictated I do so , as I need to clarify my position. I see Srila Acarya Maharaj as doing positive things that benefit all fallen Kali yoga souls, the naysayers I see on the Internet are just online bickering amongst themselves. When we have a planet that is going to hell with war, terrorism, sense gratification, earthquakes, floods and suchlike, our time would be better spent putting aside our differences and actually trying to help people instead of damaging reputations and putting stock in claims by one person.

    Please forgive my direct approach, you are a senior sanyassi, but as I have some relationship with you, I felt it best to write directly. I tried to post this on your blog for all to see but it was blocked. If you wish to post this on your site, please do so, along with your response.

    Sincerely

    Subal Vilasa

  5. Dear Sriman Subal Vilasa,

    Prabhu, I’m looking into the possibility of getting something like one of those displays in the line for the roller coaster that says “You must be this high to ride this ride.” I can then post it on our website with certain blogs and articles so that pipsqueaks like you (no offense) will know you are not to be admitted. You can come back when you grow up.

    If you are so immature that you cannot find the substance underlying my “mood”, I think it’s really better you follow the International Acharya Boards “Censure” advisory. I approve of the youngsters following that advisory. Unfortunately, I have no way to check ID’s, so I’m depending on your parents supervision to protect you from the adult ideas being discussed here.

    Better you take prasadam, chant Hare Krishna, and be happy.

    You might also use some of that youthful energy of yours to grab some of the books you say were just printed and go out and distribute them.

    I am sorry I have been in touch for a while. I have not communicated with you as I am finding myself strongly disagreeing with the mood you have

    Prabhu, feel free to “not” communicate with me for as long as you like. No need to be sorry. Life is much more peaceful during your non-communication periods.

    Again with the “mood.”

    Define the “mood” you don’t agree with.

    Define means quote something, anything, except your own opinion. Try quoting Srila Sridhara Maharaja why don’t you, since it’s his “mood” so many find I’m not representing.

    Then use actual quotations that demand one acharya follow the “mood” of a previous acharya. Or that a disciple must follow the “mood” of a previous acharya and how you determine which previous acharya’s “mood” should be followed.

    Or are they all the same “mood”?

    While you’re at it. PROVE to me that the “mood” of Srila Sridhara Maharaja represented the “mood” of Saraswati Thakura and show how Srila Swami Maharaja also represented that same “mood.”

    And, you could also PROVE that Saraswati Thakura exactly represented the “mood” of his two gurus, Srila Gaurakishora dasa Babaji Maharaja and Srila Bhakti Vinoda Thakura.

    I’ll be awaiting your proofs with eager anticipation.

    Perhaps what you mean is you don’t like my preaching “style.” But I’m not seeking your approval of my preaching style.

    I will be quite happy if Srila Gurudeva finds it acceptable and he has told me, “I am extremely pleased with your preaching style.”

    As for my “mood”, I was just beginning to appreciate the peace and quite. The less I hear from you the more peaceful the “mood” becomes.

    You see, you’re what is known as cancala.

    Your mind is cancala. Srila Prabhupada explains the meaning this way, “The mind is cancala, flickering, and it changes very strongly.”

    It is also used to describe a woman who is unchaste and goes from one man to another, agitating them, but never developing a permanent relationship with any one of them.

    Like such a woman, there is no enforceable limit on the number of times one can change gurus and you have taken full advantage of this.

    You have done this many times now and, not surprisingly, each time vowed that this time would be different, you will not change your position again. But each time you have, in one way or another.

    And, here we go again. Rinse, wash, repeat. The same thing, over and over again. And, you feel no shame.

    Your mind is always clacking around like a freight train. But you won’t submit to any superior Vaishnava who would help you control the incessant clacking, clacking, clacking.

    You speak many words about surrender and so forth and then when the least service is offered to you, to engage your mind, you find a hundred reasons why you can’t do it, no matter how simple the service may be.

    I know you won’t stop your mind from clacking around but, couldn’t you at least find another route to use so it doesn’t sound like you’re right outside my window?

    It’s really annoying.

    while dealing with what are supposed issues and deviations by senior devotees of SCSmath.

    “supposed issues and deviations”? Do the math. Gurudeva named 6 acharyas. Anyone who says he named only one is deviating, lying, you choose the terminology you like according to your “mood.”

    As you know, I have listened to your explanations and theories, I have also listened to many others and it appears that what you are proposing is actually shared by only a few devotees.

    I know no such thing. You only have one audio input and it’s not your ears, it’s your mind. That’s what you hear, nothing else. Or it could be you keep hearing the recordings you made of your “Hip Hop Hare Krishna” music. Maybe that’s why you can’t hear anything else.

    So “only a few devotees” see the truth. And that’s bad, why?

    Of the 5,000 or so disciples of Srila Swami Maharaja, how many saw Srila Sridhara Maharaja to be one of the topmost Vaishnava Acharyas? In 1981, ’82, ’83 the answer is, 6, 10, maybe 25 per Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s statement.

    It is very clear from countless readings of Srila Gurudevas will that Srila Acarya Maharaj is the leader of our organisation and that the others named were so, to assist him as the mission is growing quickly. If they initiate on their own behalf or wether others are inspired to take diksa from them is a secondary consideration. It is clear that the single guardian ruled family continues and is thriving with Srila Gurudevas choice of successor.

    “Srila Acarya Maharaj is the leader of our organization”? What organization are you referring to?

    He has nothing to do with the Math here in New Jersey, never has, probably never will. He will not be initiating here, he has no management function, no leadership function, nothing. Gurudeva did not delegate a single service to him to be performed here in Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, New York, New Jersey, Detroit.

    The same is true for all the other maths that Gurudeva named an acharya for outside the “Indian Group.” Do you even know what the “Indian Group” is?

    He’s “the leader of our organization”? PROVE IT. Or admit you are a liar just like the “several senior devotees” that must have told you the lies you are now telling me.

    Who are these liars? What are their names?

    Tell them to send their lies to me, I’ll make sure they get posted and show them to be the liars, cheats, deceivers, fakes, phonies and frauds that hide behind their little minions like you. Like terrorists who hide behind women and children.

    You offer no scriptural quotations, no quotations from Srila Govinda Maharaja or Srila Sridhara Maharaja, just stupid opinions from those who, as I previously wrote, have big mouths and slow brains but know the art of exploiting poor souls like you.

    “From their talks in general, I found that they do not care for the opinion of anyone else; but when anything is quoted from Scripture, they give a patient hearing. This was their nature. Summarily they reject all, they don’t care for anyone, but they care only for Scriptural truth; that they soberly consider and evaluate. But with adherence they reject so many stalwarts of the then society-this Aurobindo, this Gandhi, the Ramkrishna, the [imitationist] Goswamins-they summarily reject them all. But Mahaprabhu, Bhagavatam, Gita-they are all-in-all. I had an attraction, a taste for them. I could identify with them.”—SSM, “The Intense Necessity of Krishna-Bhajan”

    What is happening is deviation, the second danger for an acharya.

    “First, a guru loses his attraction for his own guru and sastra-upadesa, the advice of the sastra. Then, what he previously expressed, quoting the scriptures and the words of his own guru, gradually becomes absent in him. His attraction for the higher thing fades. That is pratistha, prestige.”—SSM, SG&HG

    DEVIATION, DECEPTION AND DECEIT IN THE NAME OF DEVOTION, DEDICATION AND DIVINITY, that’s what they know and now they have trained you in the same black arts.

    I warned you about this months ago. I told you to stay away from their association. You didn’t “listen” then either. You knew better than me. Now you have become one of them. You feel very comfortable in their den of iniquity, being used by them to perpetrate lies about the directions of our guru’s Will.

    This is why you left your former guru to take initiation from Srila Govinda Maharaja? To be enlisted as a stooge in this horrible betrayal of His Divine Grace?

    Since you’ve read the Will “countless” times, it should be easy for you to immediately point to the section that says “The acharya of New York (or Soquel, or any other place you choose) is not to have any independent position and is only to act as a sycophant, slave, servant or peon (or other appropriate term describing one who is subservient to another) to Acharya Maharaja.

    When you find it, be sure to CC the other “acharyas” since they couldn’t find that section of the Will either.

    If you read this:

    “The devotees of Russia shall follow Sripad Avadhut Maharaj completely. If one hundred percent is not possible, at least all concerned will respect and regard him, because Sripad Bhakti Bimal Avadhut Maharaj has taken the leading role in the propagation of the Mission in Russia since the beginning. I want to see Sripad Avadhut Maharaj as the Acharya in Russia. I shall be pleased if everyone in Russia abides by Avadhut Maharaj and becomes loyal to him.”—LWT

    and conclude Acharya Maharaja is Srila Govinda Maharaja’s choice to be the acharya of Russia,

    and you read this:

    “And in America Sripad Janardan Maharaj is a perfect personality. He is a perfect gentlemen. He will be Acharya. He is Acharya already but has given all the respect to me; I am giving in return to him. Sripad Janardan Maharaj will become the Acharya and Sevaite of the Soquel Math.
    “—LWT

    and conclude Acharya Maharaja is Srila Govinda Maharaja’s choice to be the acharya of Soquel, and so on and so on, down the list of acharyas, then you and I live in irreconcilably different worlds, one fictional and one real.

    No, I’m the one living in the real world.

    Although the meaning of passages referenced above is crystal clear, like Shankaracarya, you twist the meanings of the words to support your own interpretations and deceive others with your explanations.

    The following text will help those interested to know the true meaning of Srila Gurudeva’s Will, which is analogous to the “Vedanta-sutra”.

    C.C. Madhya 6

    TEXT 130
    Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu then revealed His mind, saying, “I can understand the meaning of each sutra very clearly, but your explanations have simply agitated My mind.

    PURPORT
    The factual meaning of the aphorisms of the Vedanta-sutra is as clear as sunshine. The Mayavadi philosophers simply try to cover the sunshine with the clouds of interpretations imagined by Sankaracarya and his followers.

    Madhya 6.131
    “The meaning of the aphorisms in the Vedanta-sutra contain clear purports in themselves, but other purports you presented simply covered the meaning of the sutras like a cloud.

    Madhya 6.132
    “You do not explain the direct meaning of the Brahma-sutras. Indeed, it appears that your business is to cover their real meaning.”

    PURPORT
    This is typical of all Mayavadis or atheists who interpret the meaning of Vedic literature in their own imaginative way. The real purpose of such foolish people is to impose the impersonalist conclusion on all Vedic literature. The Mayavadi atheists also interpret the Bhagavad-gita. In every verse of Srimad Bhagavad-gita it is clearly stated that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In every verse Vyasadeva says, sri-bhagavan uvaca, “the Supreme Personality of Godhead said,” or “the Blessed Lord said.” It is clearly stated that the Blessed Lord is the Supreme Person, but Mayavadi atheists still try to prove that the Absolute Truth is impersonal. In order to present their false, imaginary meanings, they must adopt so much word jugglery and grammatical interpretation that they finally become ludicrous. Therefore Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu remarked that no one should hear the Mayavadi commentaries or purports to any Vedic literature.

    Madhya 6.133
    Caitanya Mahaprabhu continued, “The Vedanta-sutra is the summary of all the Upanisads; therefore whatever direct meaning is there in the Upanisads is also recorded in the Vedanta-sutra, or Vyasa-sutra.

    Madhya 6.134
    “For each sutra the direct meaning must be accepted without interpretation. However, you simply abandon the direct meaning and proceed with your imaginative interpretation.

    Madhya 6.135
    “Although there is other evidence, the evidence given in the Vedic version must be taken as foremost. Vedic versions understood directly are first-class evidence.”

    PURPORT
    Works that should be consulted are Srila Jiva Gosvami’s Tattva-sandarbha (10–11), Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana’s commentary on that, and the following verses of the Brahma-sutra: sastra-yonitvat (Vs. 1.1.3), tarkapratisthanat (Vs. 2.1.11) and srutes tu sabda-mulatvat (Vs. 2.1.27), as commented upon by Sri Ramanujacarya, Sri Madhvacarya, Sri Nimbarkacarya and Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana. In his book Sarva-samvadini, Srila Jiva Gosvami has noted that although there are ten kinds of evidence — direct perception, the Vedic version, historical reference, hypothesis and so on — and although they are all generally accepted as evidence, the person presenting a hypothesis, reading the Vedic version, perceiving or interpreting by his experience is certain to be imperfect in four ways. That is, he is subject to committing mistakes, to becoming illusioned, to cheating and to having imperfect senses. Although the evidence may be correct, the person himself is in danger of being misled due to his material defects. Apart from the direct presentation, there is a chance that an interpretation may not be perfect. Therefore the conclusion is that only a direct presentation can be considered evidence. An interpretation cannot be accepted as evidence, but may be considered proof of evidence.
    In the Bhagavad-gita, at the very beginning it is stated:
    dhrtarastra uvaca
    dharma-ksetre kuru-ksetre samaveta yuyutsavah
    mamakah pandavas caiva kim akurvata sanjaya
    [Bg. 1.1]
    The statements of the Bhagavad-gita are themselves proof that there is a place of religious pilgrimage named Kuruksetra where the Pandavas and Kurus met to fight. After meeting there, what did they do? This was Dhrtarastra’s inquiry to Sanjaya. Although these statements are very clear, atheists try to interpret different meanings of the words dharma-ksetra and kuru-ksetra. Therefore Srila Jiva Gosvami has warned us not to depend on any kind of interpretation. It is better to take the verses as they are, without interpretation.

    Because you do not accept the clear meaning of Srila Govinda Maharaja’s Last Will and Testament, there is no point in further discussion about it.

    I appreciate all the association you have given me in the past and wish the best for you. No one has prompted me to write this, rather, my conscience dictated I do so , as I need to clarify my position.

    Prabhu, your position has always been clear to me. Click, clack, click, clack, click, clack, freight train’s coming. No, it’s just the sound of the mind of Subal Vilasa approaching in the distance.

    Obviously you want to disassociate yourself from me.

    Prabhu, as you like you can do. I have no objection.

    Srila Sridhara Maharaja explained ritvik in two ways.

    The first:

    Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Everything, everything. And the ritviks are but vartma pradarsaka guru. When he was living, he appointed so many ritviks, representatives, they are really, they are vartma pradarsaka. Do you follow?

    Jayapataka Maharaja: Vartma pradarsaka.

    Srila Sridhara Maharaja: That, they are showing, they are showing, indicating the way to the guru.

    and second:

    Dr. Asthana: Many people I have talked to do not consider the ritvik to be the direct Guru. They say the ritvik is ritvik.

    Srila Guru Maharaj: ritvik is ritvik, but if such transfer of power is done then what harm? For those that have got no ßraddha, they may go away. They may not accept. I do not care. I don’t accept them.

    Dr. Asthana: Does ritvik mean the direct successor?
    Srila Guru Maharaj: ritvik means the representative. It may be temporary or it may be permanent. It may be partial or it may be full, as empowerment is there.

    As Brahma dasa and his associates could not accept the “certificate” given by Srila Sridhara Maharaja to Srila Govinda Maharaja to be permanent or representing full empowerment, but only giving him “a seat in front of the assembly of devotees” you cannot accept Srila Govinda Maharaja’s “certificate” appointing me to the post of acharya to be permanent or representing full empowerment.

    I accept Brahma’s Prabhu idea regarding me. I also happily accept yours.

    I never claimed to be “an” acharya or that anyone named by Srila Govinda Maharaja is “an” acharya.

    Thankfully you have not yet gone so far afield as to concur with Brahma dasa that Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s choice of Srila Govinda Maharaja requires further certification by Brahma dasa and his cohorts before it can be accepted as valid.

    Like Brahma dasa, you are fee to conclude I am not qualified to occupy the post given to me by your guru and, on the other hand, Sripada Acharya Maharaja is qualified to hold the post.

    You are not required to accept any of us in any way other than your Godbrother.

    If you see me according to the first statement about ritvik, as vartma pradashika guru, one who points the way, I pointed you to Srila Govinda Maharaja. I did my job as it relates to you. Now my duty to you is finished.

    If you see something more than that, the same Divinity represented in your guru, represented in another devotee, then you must certainly bow your head there and try to get some service connection with such a devotee. You must do what your faith and conscience dictate.

    Being true to siddhanta doesn’t mean only accepting the pleasant things. In the imaginary world of Krishna Consciousness there are only, as you say, “smiling faces”. In that world perhaps Srila Sridhara Maharaja would never have said “I pass urine on your GBC (of Gaudiya Math)” or about the ISKCON GBC, “Dollars, diplomacy and despotism in the name of devotion, dedication and Divinity”.

    I suppose in your ideal illusion of Krishna Consciousness, Srila Sridhara Maharaja would have succumbed to the threats of his imprisonment by his Godbrother and not offered to sign the paper attesting to the fact that the Gaudiya Math acharya, successor to Srila Saraswati Thakura was unfit for the post. He would, instead, have kept quiet.

    He could also have adopted your attitude:

    When we have a planet that is going to hell with war, terrorism, sense gratification, earthquakes, floods and suchlike, our time would be better spent putting aside our differences and actually trying to help people instead of damaging reputations and putting stock in claims by one person.

    And, when fifty percent or so of the disciples of Saraswati Thakura, that were working under the direction of Prabhu Ananta Vasudeva left the mission, having put “stock in the claims of one person” they should have just set aside their differences and actually tried “to help people…”

    In other words the differences among the stalwart preachers of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakura must be seen, like the differences you speak of now, as trivial, insignificant, hardly worth the fuss.

    And, when that same acharya, began his ruthless oppression of the other disciples of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakura, should they have just tolerated it as humble Vaishnavas, all the while considering:

    api cet su-duracaro
    bhajate mam ananya-bhak
    sadhur eva sa mantavyah
    samyag vyavasito hi sah

    Our acharya can do no wrong. Those who think otherwise are not following the instructions of shastra.

    Seeing the romantic affairs of our acharya tells us nothing about him, except that he is ananya-bhak. He can’t be doing anything wrong because he has done so much service for our Gurudeva. And look, the devotees have “smiling faces.”

    You must be very critical then of Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s assessment of the situation which sharply contrasts with the proposition above:

    “But I think when he began his oppression against us, we were innocent people and he began to oppress us in a ruthless way, and Prabhupada withdrew from him. And, when he withdrew then what to left he can [what was left], he has no other alternative but to go against Prabhupada. He became sahajiya…”

    I left iskcon because of these things and do not wish to see of hear about all this in Srila Gurumaharajs mission.

    Then you should have stayed in ISKCON. You came to this mission for the wrong reason.

    You should have come not to escape “these things” but for a service connection with Srila Govinda Maharaja, his devotees and representatives. You should have come to get some spiritual direction from a higher Vaishnava. That would have been a healthy reason. Otherwise, what’s the point? To change baby sitters?

    Siddhanta encompasses many things, it is not accessible to everyone. Not everyone is able to grasp the philosophy that provides a foundation for advancement in Krishna Consciousness.

    For some it is best to simply “chant and be happy” until they have acquired enough sukrti for a real service connection with a higher Vaishnava.

    I am being sarcastic with some of my comments but it is not to demean you. It is to try and wake you up.

    Maybe a few others sleeping in the class will also wake up.

    I do not think less of someone because they are in a lower grade of school where they are not yet able to catch the philosophical truths of KC. We all must start somewhere and being in the school is the best place for all of us students.

    In your case I don’t think you are applying yourself properly to your studies. That means serve a Vaishnava. Give your energy to the Lord and His devotees. Accept some responsible seva and do it consistently without seeking any personal remuneration. That’s the way forward for you, for me, for us all.

    Those who know you, as I do, know in a year or so from now, just as happened before, you may very well write me once again asking me to excuse your offenses and offer you some guidance for proceeding on the path of Devotion.

    If that time should come again, I’m sure my reaction will be no different than before. I will inform you that I am never offended by anyone, I am the servant of the devotees and if I can be of any service to you, I will happily do so.

    Why would I do that?

    You came to me presenting yourself as a sincere seeker of Krishna Consciousness and, as Srila Govinda Maharaja’s representative, I accepted you as such. I still accept you in that way.

    I pray this finds you well in health and spirits.

    Sincerely yours,

    Giri Maharaja

  6. The difference is that Ananta vasudeva was not appointed by Srila Saraswati Thakur

    Srila Acarya Maharaj was appointed by Gurudeva. There is a big difference

    For the record, your remarks did not ” wake me up”, rather, I am astounded at having received the rudest ever letter I’ve received in my life.

    I would say that the best thing is that you set up your own society. It is clear that your thinking does not match with the rest of the SCSmath family. So many are angry at your statements.

    And you have not given any evidence that the matajis accusations are based on fact, thus your whole presentation has a very unstable foundation and is causing disruption.

    So, just let the others do as they will, set up your own movement just as Tripurari et all did, as they couldn’t work with Srila Gurudeva, and as you can’t work with Srila Acarya Maharaj and the others, it would be the very best solution

    My dandavats

    Sincerely

    Subal Vilasa

  7. Dear Srila Giri Maharaja,

    Begging you please forgive any offense my Lord. I am going to begin calling you Srila Bhakti Raksaka Raksaka B.K. Giri Maharaja, the guardian of the guardian of devotion. You are being approached by so many people in the guise of common sense, sincere devotion, good advice, diplomacy, and harmonizers, who hate Guru Maharaja, and you are standing to defend your Guru. Why I am wanting to call you by this name is this prabhu, and please do not be offended, this is because the inner purport of the guardian of the guardian also means, that Guru Maharaja is cupid, and you are being like the cupid of the cupid, you are doing exactly what I began to explain in my first letters to you, you are participating in what, as someone wishing to serve you, I hoped you would not lose the opportunity to experience. The pure disciple of the Guru proves the Heart of the Guru. You are living as a testament to the purity and power of Srila Swami Maharaja and Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s Heart, and that Heart is their standing up for Their Gurudeva. This is the constant. You are guarding His Love for Srila Sarasvati Thakurani. That is Love… a long line of worshipping our Guru’s Love for His Guru’s Love for His Guru’s Love for His Guru’s Love… the servant of the servant of the servant, the cupids of the cupids of the cupids of Cupid. Srila Govinda Maharaja says one is fortunate to see the serving mood of Srila Sridhara Maharaja, I am extremely fortunate to see you guarding this my Lord.

    Please do not accept my obeisances, but know I am trying to pay my obeisances to you prabhu, not that I believe my attempt is ever sincere. The more I learn about you by trying to listen for and hear your affection for your Guru through your instructions, posts, etc., the more I am learning that I am less and less worthy to have your association. And I first approached checking myself, telling myself to approach feeling unworthy. My Lord I am not feeling unworthy enough yet. Lord I am writing also to beg forgiveness for being angry with you today. I was thinking about how much saffron could be utilized here, and when I realized the work that might not get done without it, I became angry at you personally. I thought of you as standing in the way of my work… when I am supposed to be your servant only. I thought, if he will not give me that tool when needed, he is blocking work. I wish you had not brought it up. It’s the only reason I’d get angry with anyone, when work is being blocked that I could do for my Guru… because the time, place, and circumstances of this atheistic plane already are difficult enough (though I understand this is our Lord’s potency also, so I am not afraid of the dark… I am afraid without Guru and should be). You know the many difficulties I’ve had in finding someone as yourself and making your association. In part I was also angry you are telling me those wearing white cloth need to see an example (not that I am one), when apparently they also need good examples of those wearing saffron. You and I are surrounded by Hell, the only repose is to hold onto the feet of Guru! Many of our godbrothers and sisters, are letting go. Bottom line, there aren’t many walks of life for disciples, only one, follow Guru or don’t, that has to be the constant. Still you are standing, because you are bowing, and, you are a well wisher, because you are inviting others, not to serve yourself, but to come and bow with you.

    I have been doing as I said I would, reading and listening to hear through the SCS Math Global website content. Actually Indra Bandhu das told me he found a post about an indiscretion by Srila Acaryya Maharaja. Actually that is the superficial view. What that writing was about is only one thing, not two, three, or many ideas. It was about Hell. In that story Guru Maharaja has one man, standing outside of Hell, the other characters in the story are in Hell. That is all there is to see there, a fine choice, and Guru’s man standing against it. The letters you posted to the BLOG are only about going to Hell, and at the precipece, Guru’s man… yourself. I severely chastised Indra for reading that letter, without consulting me, to borrow from me the proper reading glasses. Because that whole post doesn’t offer any choices, only one, and any fickleness… everything can be lost. A heart can be lost just like that, one gimick, trade Guru for that gimick and go to Hell. One may not be perfect at serving Guru, but it is better to serve one’s Guru poorly, that to serve satan well. That letter is about Hell only, and these other people are going there prabhu. Following one-another to Hell. You are right not to have compassion in the way they wish to encourage and inspire you. I am reading these letters, but there is only one protection, that I am listening for my Guru Maharaj and Gurudeva’s mood in you, meaning, They don’t stray from singular vision, Their own Guru. The others write you with so much banter, in the guise of following Guru, but not. I told Indra prabhu, you cannot be confused, you cannot think this story is anything other than one, to go to Hell or not, that is it; and it is tricky, because maya will offer you seemingly two sides to take. No. In consideration of Hell, there is no choice, hold onto to Guru’s feet or go. I warned him against diplomacy entering his heart, that it is the work of the devil… and the devil works to insure those who don’t want a Guru go to Hell. I taught him that it was dangerous for him to read this letter without first having no misunderstanding about diplomacy.

    Please have no diplomacy with me, even if that means finding me unworthy of your association because I deserve it to be chastised, I really do deserve nothing. But I am fortunate in this lifetime to see this serving mood of Srila Sridhara Maharaja in you, no diplomacy. Why so many of these disciples are becoming diplomats? This is what Mathura and so many others are teaching is substance? It is Hell. You are still standing, because you are falling at the feet of Guru. This is the one and only point you are ever making, you are not saying anything else. Every letter of the scripture, the Vedas, is saying only that one thing… Guru, Krsna. This Mahaprabhu is teaching, and His disciples are seeing there is nothing in the books to read, to argue about, nothing prabhu. Since I saw this too, I learned everything. I have a Guru. I am not Guru, I am not even a devotee. But I have a master to try to enslave myself to, and that means everything.

    “How nice were the classes of Ananta Vasudeva? Srila Sridhara Maharaja himself thought that among the disciples of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakura, Ananta Vasudeva’s presentation of Guadiya philosophy was the best. Therefore he supported him as acharya. Still he immediately left Ananta Vasudeva when he was sure the love letters were real.”

    So much, as you call it, guru bhogi!

    But, what you are standing for, is driving me now, feeding me. You are also supporting Srila Govinda Maharaja. Srila Govinda Maharaja made some allowance in His Will for those compelled to leave the Math – they can do so, but not with His shelter. What others did not think to look out for, is that others may leave the Math while apparently still living there. They will continue to think, you are leaving the Math. I am feeling now it was my experience to go through what I have, just to try to support you, and that wherever you are at, is the Math. You have been fighting for your and my Guru for a long time. Listening to you, I am hearing how there will be no diplomacy from me. I am actually so happy I am sometimes feeling like crying now, writing this to you. Sincerity is everything.

    You are also making me laugh so much prabhu, I haven’t been so happy in a very very long time. You say, “Prabhu, I’m looking into the possibility of getting something like one of those displays in the line for the roller coaster that says “You must be this high to ride this ride.” I can then post it on our website with certain blogs and articles so that pipsqueaks like you (no offense) will know you are not to be admitted. You can come back when you grow up.”

    Lord if you keep writing things in this line, I won’t be able to stop reading for my own purification and heart opening. Laughter is so good for the soul. But also, I am reading the mood within this style, and feeling so heavy at times, I am thinking I will end my life for you, just for being like this, and can leave this life knowing another person with the audacity to try and follow their Guru lives.

    Unlike the disciples you are conversing with so mercifully, I can answer the proof of our Gurus following one-another, just as I can offer an inner purport to how Lord Krsna can commit suicide, that I learned from hearing from my Guru’s about sincerely following Mahaprabhu without deviation. Bottom line they are the same answer. Though one cannot find external proof that Srila Sarasvati Thakurani had the “mood” of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakurani, a disciple can see this is so, as the disciple looks to see only one thing continuing to know for sure, worship of the worship of the worship… of a relationship between Guru and disciple. This very thing is what Mahaprabhu said is first accepted as spirituality, it isn’t the least. Without trying to have and honour this relationship, this Will, all else is suicide. This worship does exist. In Srila Sridhara Maharaja worshipping Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakurani, He is touching the heart of Srila Sarasvati Thakurani. This is what the SCS Math, stands for overall, the Guru-vargha… and this is the purport of the catur-sloki, you should recognize Guru and Krsna. A line of taking the relations of the higher vaisnavas on our head. I am taking your guarding the guardian of devotion on my head. What I am seeing you do is holiness.

    All the sincere disciples, they did that, however different they were in style, they have that in common, though it’s an uncommon thing… loyalty. When all around is fratricide, Srila Sridhara Maharaja and Srila Govinda Maharaja had a loyalty that burns through anything that isn’t, they are not cancala, flickering. These other immature people, in thinking they are honouring our Gurus, they are sympathizers with maya-devi, and calling our Gurus flickering.

    Yes please put up a sign at the amusement park, because it isn’t amusing. I am very angry. This line you speak of means to bow as low, then lower and lower, as one can to Guru. Yes, I did become angry also reading this post about this situation with the Brazillian devotee, and that made me even angrier considering I may not have this weapon of saffron. But then I realize, as long as I have any association of yours, and you have saffron, I have that saffron weapon fighting for me to. What is that fight? I have always said, guardian of devotion means that our Guru Maharaja was holding this mercy out to us, purely, though the rarest treasure, a Guru. You are fighting for just how merciful a Guru is as well. So, like me, you are also angry in this way.

    Yes. I also have some taste I am hoping for this vaisnava scripture:

    “From their talks in general, I found that they do not care for the opinion of anyone else; but when anything is quoted from Scripture, they give a patient hearing. This was their nature. Summarily they reject all, they don’t care for anyone, but they care only for Scriptural truth; that they soberly consider and evaluate. But with adherence they reject so many stalwarts of the then society-this Aurobindo, this Gandhi, the Ramkrishna, the [imitationist] Goswamins-they summarily reject them all. But Mahaprabhu, Bhagavatam, Gita-they are all-in-all. I had an attraction, a taste for them. I could identify with them.”—SSM, “The Intense Necessity of Krishna-Bhajan”

    Though this mood was not encouraged by Mathura and others, Lord I do not want there to be any irreconcilable difference between you and I. Though different, please teach me not to be a diplomat either. Please help me not to have a difference regarding Guru.

    A soldier learns general orders, the first order is to stay at one’s post and not quit one’s post unless properly relieved, to not be fickle or flickering, but stand even if that means dying. You are giving die to live even greater meaning, in this great fratricidle war, you are choosing to stand amidst an attack from within seemingly our own ranks. You are relishing this battle, and I am so fortunate to be witnessing this great battle. Although reclusive and shy, you will not find me so in facing death either. For all who entertain their life, death is certain, those who desire life in this world, lose their life in the next (something like that). I know how to live, and this knowledge is growing watching your example. Guru.

    My Gurudeva, you are supporting. I did not know you were so fond of Srila Govinda Maharaja. I was fond enough to see all this coming for some time, yet had no seemingly direct contact; I had to serve mostly from afar, a distance. I wasn’t envious, as I had my work. But now I was angry today you will not let me do better for you, and take saffron, because doing better for you has come to mean doing better for my Guru – especially when so many others with the same saffron aren’t living it. But then it occurred to me prabhu! With such clarity what you are also planning:

    you don’t just want a white cloth person showing other white cloth an example, but you want this white cloth person to show up the supposed saffron wearing people, the quote unquote IAB (International Assasins Board), they are the renters not paying rent (not serving Guru Maharaja… but wanting to kill out Guru from within), though they live in SCS Math… yes?

    I am fool number one prabhu, to have gotten angry with you, but hearing you, I am fool… but smart enough to listen to you. They want to live for free, but they aren’t free, we are only ever free to die in shackles, you and I prabhu. I am ashamed they are turning the Home and mercy for so many jivas, Navadvipa Dhama, into a museum and mausoleum. But prabhu, my fasting would mean nothing to them. I think not taking saffron brahmacari, in service to you, in service to my Guru is a fast. I am taking that fast now, and when you want, I can end the fast. Until then… again prabhu you are acaryya do with me as you wish. One reading of the Will, and I have no place to say anything, and I am not very good with words so I screw up what I write, I never seem to be able to quite say what I feel and spend too much of your time with these letters of mine. However, I think why I try hard to communicate to you and associate with you, is you are able to understand even when I’m not able to write well. I am believing you have insights into my heart, and can pull out the weeds here.

    It doesn’t matter if I like you or not, Lord, but I am really liking you, having affection for you, though I am embarrased to say so to you, but that is how I’m feeling, my fondness is increasing when honestly it is very hard for me to find anyone to feel for in this world, so I am grateful…

    Sometime I am being very very angry with being surrounded by all that which doesn’t care, I don’t think this means I am not evolved or mature as a disciple, but to think I have what you have? This is why I must tell you, what I told Srila Govinda Maharaja:

    I don’t love you, because the Love I am seeing you have for your Guru, I want to Love my Guru like that, I am a student straining for that, I know I don’t Love unless I can someday have this Love you have for Guru Maharaja and even my own Gurudeva, I cannot yet say I love you, but, because I long to, I promise to work for that relationship prabhu, and begin by stepping up further to serve the relations of our Gurus.

    If I were to write a book, I would want to write one about all you are doing, guarding what your Guru is guarding. I would call it Heart and Hell (a play on Heart and Halo), stories of the guardian of the guardian of devotion, but you are writing it with your web posts. If you would like to use anything I’ve written to you, and include my name, please do.

    Hare Krishna!

    Affectionately,
    Radha-Syam das

  8. Your response to subal vilasa was an unwarranted series of childish insults, lacking logic, denegrading comments and emotional immaturity revealing an ugly side of your nature. As an ambassador of krsna one would expect a more attractive response written with some dignity. I have no comment to make upon the position you hold for the topic being discussed as this is not the issue here. It seems you lack the awareness of the fact that the low nature of your response could caste the sampradaya in a poor light. Have you asked yourself if the mood of your response would be pleasing to your guru? i know you will tell me to mind my own business so i say wake up to yourself and become the person that you should be.

    • Dear Doctor,

      My chairside manner may not appeal to you, but that is the problem with crazy people and juveniles, they like to find some reason to avoid taking their meds.

      I have no comment to make upon the position you hold for the topic being discussed as this is not the issue here.

      Yes, crazy people think a position on the topic being discussed is not the issue. Sane people find them to be one and the same.

      The topic being discussed is the medicine I’m dispensing, the topic is Krishna Consciousness, you want to avoid the topic, avoid taking your medication.

      My duty is to give the spiritual medicine. You’re the dentist, I’ll let you worry about the chairside manner.

      But I wonder, “When a child is in your chair and sees your needle and syringe or hears your drill winding up, and starts screaming for his mother to get him away from you, do you tell him ‘Never mind, let the abscess continue untreated.’”?

      In other words do you take the position that the child, untrained in the practice of dentistry knows better than you because he’s protesting so loudly? Or, do you follow your professional training which tells you the tooth must be treated regardless of the child’s protests?.

      You were wrong about the topic, and wrong to assume I would tell you to mind your own business.

      So, wrong on two accounts. Let’s see, do two wrongs make a right? No.

      You might want to consider embiggening your spirit.

      Giri Maharaja
      “A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.” – Jebediah Springfield

  9. You are the most disrespectful representative of the devotees, gurus and sampradaya that i have come across in my 30 years of being an initiated disciple of Srila sridhar Mj. Your insulting, childish slagging off at others is in no way apporpriate. You deem your duty is to give spiritual medicine, if it were we would all have toxic shock syndrome. You should take this discussion away from the public eye and away from the banner of SCSM official blog as it serves to harm the sensitive devotees and students to observe this behaviour in a person who held a position of respect and trust by Govinda Mj with supposed higher qualities. Guru Mj’s Math’s reputation is being eroded mainly in my opinion by your verbal abuse and blog displaying the issues going on in the public eye. For you to be so inconsiderate and lacking in self control shows me that you have disqualified yourself from any position once considered appropriate.

    • Dear Doctor Nigel Cluer,

      Please accept my humble obeisances in remembrance of my Divine Master.

      Prabhu you may be correct regarding my disqualifications that you have so respectfully presented “in the public eye”, as you have characterized our Blog.

      You are the most disrespectful representative of the devotees, gurus and sampradaya that i have come across in my 30 years of being an initiated disciple of Srila sridhar Mj.

      If I am actually “the most disrespectful…” as you say, then I thank you for promoting me to the number one position. You have ranked me as the highest of the lowest.

      I am happy to see your ennoblement of this humble soul who considers himself to be the lowest of the lowest.

      No doubt Brahma dasa will also be happy to see someone is taking his advice to give position to others and thereby gain a better position for oneself.

      By the grace of your continued association, perhaps I will one day rise even further on your evolutionary scale. I will certainly welcome that day.

      In the meantime, I must serve the post given to me by my Divine Master. I am following his order as best I can according to my small capacity.

      I don’t, however, agree that this discussion is actually “in the public eye”.

      While it is somewhat public, our website is primarily viewed by devotees, and especially devotees of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. This forum is meant for our members.

      Admittedly, I can’t deny access to voyeurs such as yourself, who, although warned by the IAB that I have been “Censured” and advised not to have any communication with me of any type, can’t resist, perhaps “lacking self control”, the temptation to do so.

      I am glad to see you and I agree on this point, you have no regard for the International Acharya Board, and neither do I.

      That was the real point of my article, the “topic” as you previously referred to it.

      So, on the substance of my article you apparently agree, that the International Acharya Board is practicing “Deviation, deception and deceit, in the name of devotion, dedication and Divinity”. Therefore, as your behavior shows, they should not be followed and their association should be avoided in order to protect our spiritual creeper.

      Somehow or other by the Divine Will, we have come full circle.

      Previously you were wrong on two points, now you are correct on two points, those being that I am unsuited for any position other than the most menial servant of the servant of the servants of Sri Sri Guru Gaurnaga, and we should ignore any dictums issued by the International Acharya Board.

      I look forward to further discussion with you on more topics of mutual agreement.

      BTW, please pardon me for not recognizing Dr. Nigel Cluer as a name given to one of Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s disciples, a relationship for which you are rightly proud. I confused your name with that of another man, a dentist by the same name.

      I pray this finds you well in all respects.

      Your servant,

      Giri Maharaja
      “Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell.

  10. As practitioners in the field of nutrition medicine it seems that perhaps (and we say this with respect and concern) you need medication. You show signs of severe anger that have created irrationality in your words that you seem to no longer be able to control, this is a reaction which can occur at times of deep emotional distress – you obviously feel an injustice and that is not for us to comment upon. Knowing that Govinda Mj placed you in a position of responsibility it may make sense of your seemingly unbalanced and thoughtless behaviour leading to severe consequences for all. We suggest you seek counseling and medical assistance and hopefully you can redeem yourself as is our hope for both yourself and the harmony of the math to further prevent damage to your Guru’s mission and acceptance of whatever outcome prevails. Jugala murti and dr cluer

    • My dear mother,

      Please accept my humble obeisances in remembrance of my Divine Master.

      Thank you for your thoughtful concern as to my health. However, you should contact our advertising department if you want to promote your nutrition medicine practice on our website.

      No, I do not feel there is any injustice.

      The environment is friendly. This we have learned from His Divine Grace Srila Sridhara Maharaja. Everything is under the control of the Divine Will and He is friendly to us.

      As I said in my email to Sripada Acharya Maharaja on Feb. 9, of this year:

      Maharaja, please do not worry that I “will not get any energy to preach Krishna consciousness.” I am feeling very energized. Your “Acharya Board” is “like the sun and I am like a solar charged battery”. The more nonsense you propose, the more energy I get to oppose it.

      What you have incorrectly diagnosed, due to your material outlook of my condition, as “severe anger that have created irrationality” is really an abundance of energy to oppose the spiritual misconceptions that abound as a result of the diabolical deviations of the International Acharya Board from our guru’s principles.

      You and your good husband cannot seem to focus on the actual content and message of my writing which is alluded to in the title of this Blog “The Road to Deviation, Deception & Deceit.” Thus, you offer no rationale for accusing me of irrationality. Is that rational? I leave it as a question.

      It seems that both you and your husband must agree with the substance of my article, having offered no opposition to it, but disagree with the form I’ve used to express my opinion.

      As I wrote earlier to your husband

      Admittedly, I can’t deny access to voyeurs such as yourself, who, although warned by the IAB that I have been “Censured” and advised not to have any communication with me of any type, can’t resist, perhaps “lacking self control”, the temptation to do so.

      I am glad to see you and I agree on this point, you have no regard for the International Acharya Board, and neither do I.

      That was the real point of my article, the “topic” as you previously referred to it.

      So, on the substance of my article you apparently agree, that the International Acharya Board is practicing “Deviation, deception and deceit, in the name of devotion, dedication and Divinity”. Therefore, as your behavior shows, they should not be followed and their association should be avoided in order to protect our spiritual creeper.

      As you apparently agree with the substance of the article but not the form, I invite you to address your comments to the substance. You can then show by example, rather than precept, how you would state our position that the International Acharya Board is practicing “Deviation, deception and deceit, in the name of devotion, dedication and Divinity” in a pleasant way that the form worshipers will appreciate.

      I have no objection to a form that differs from mine being used to carry the same message as long as it is equally effective.

      Let us work together then, in a spirit of pleasant cooperation, to inform the devotees of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math that Srila Gurudeva’s directions, especially as written in his Will, should be respected and not the International Acharya Board members who ignore those directions. Leaving aside all other concerns we must follow our guru at any cost.

      I know you will feel as much encouragement from these words as I do:

      “If in order to carry out the command of the Vaishnava guru I have to be arrogant, to be brutish, to suffer eternal perdition, I am prepared to welcome such eternal damnation and even sign a pact to that effect. I will not listen to the words of other malicious persons in lieu of the command of the Gurudeva. I will dissipate with indomitable courage and conviction the currents of thought of all the rest of the world, relying on the strength derived from the lotus-feet of Shri Gurudeva. I confess to this arrogance.”—BSST, Be humbler than a blade of grass.

      I pray this finds you nutritionalized and happily engaged in your seva to Srila Guru Maharaja.

      Swami B.K. Giri
      “We cannot follow anyone’s dictation. That is not our policy.” — Srila Bhakti Vedanta Swami, Letter to: Mukunda – Mayapur, March 9, 1977

  11. Thank you for your attempted more pleasant approach to our comments. The second letter which you think came from Nigel was actually from me but i signed in as him. sorry for confusion. He is a devotee at heart however.

    We have not taken your position in regards to the acarya board for the record, we have no interest in such matters. Our letters were only sent in the hope of preventing further disharmony for the Math, devotees and also we were concerned about your state of emotional health.

    Glad to see you have tempered your emotions and thank you for your response. We hope you contain your energy to the point that your perceived anger is no longer seen as abusive. Jugala murti

  12. Dear Giri Maharaja,

    You wrote: “Thankfully you have not yet gone so far afield as to concur with Brahma dasa that Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s choice of Srila Govinda Maharaja requires further certification by Brahma dasa and his cohorts before it can be accepted as valid.”

    This is a straw man argument, as I never expressed anything of the sort. Prove it—show where I’ve written that I don’t accept Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s choice of Srila Govinda Maharaja as acharya of SCSM. The accusation is simply not true. You want to silence the opposition with a barrage of rude, unbalanced, and unreasonable arguments and allegations, but silence does not indicate agreement.

    For the record—I was twice initiated by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and not formally obligated to accept another guru. However, after Srila Prabhupada’s departure I found inspiration in B.R. Sridhara Maharaja so I tried to serve him and was instrumental in bringing his teachings to the west. After his departure neither was I obligated to accept another siksa guru. Nor was I obligated to accept Srila Govinda Maharaja with the same reverence and affection that I had for Srila Prabhupada or B.R. Sridhara Maharaja. I was never a member of SCSM so my duty in relation to Srila Govinda Maharaja was simply to show respect to him as the successor acharya of SCSM–so says Sri Guru and His Grace. The fact that I was not drawn to him in the same way that you were doesn’t make me the enemy of SCSM that you portray me to be.

    According to Srila Sridhara Maharaja a person is attracted to a particular sadhu or guru in accordance with their sukriti or accumulated devotional merit. Thus devotees will be attracted to different gurus as to the dictates of their inner guide–a matter of inspiration, not legislation. (Our sincere conscious will be the best judge, not formality: Sri Guru and His Grace)

    Regardless of where we find our own faith Sridhara Maharaja taught that we should honor the principle of ‘divine faith’ wherever we find it by honoring the faith of others though that faith may manifest differently than our own. I find no such honor in this blog.

    Ironically, the position that you are proud to condemn me for is now similar to your own; as a committee appointed by your siksa guru has decided that you should accept his successor (Acharya Maharaja) in a manner that is incompatible with your level of faith in him… Sound familiar? It should, as your condemnation of me is not only similar in this case, but is just a rehash of the 1981 GBC condemnation of all those who found faith in Srila Sridhara Maharaja.

    Faith above formality–that is the essential message of Pujapada B.R. Sridhara Maharaja.

    • My dear Brahma dasa,

      Please accept my heartfelt condolences and sympathies for your tragic loss.

      You came very close to the goal, very close to a life of service to the lotus feet of Srila Swami Maharaja and then Srila Sridhara Maharaja but then you turned and ran in the opposite direction to the association of those who think they can play with sahajiya-vada, maya-vada and alteration of their guru’s instructions. And there, what you were previously, died.

      We believe in resurrection through the goodwill of the Vaishnava. Therefore, in light of my deep appreciation and respect for your former self, I want to offer you another chance at life before I cast you off as another unfortunate casualty of guru ninda and Vaishnava aparadha.

      I am enclosing herewith some passages from Spiritual Assistance for our Friends containing transcriptions of a recording made with Srila Sridhara Maharaja who you profess to accept as your siksha guru. That will be followed by a chapter from Affectionate Guidance titled “The one Channel of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math”, the voice here is that of Srila Govinda Maharaja.

      I had thought to use passages from the above works to justify the position I have taken with you. Then I thought, due to the years you’ve spent cloistered in the association of persons envious of Srila Govinda Maharaja, you may not be aware of the blunt unequivocal direction given by Srila Sridhara Maharaja to all his disciples and followers to accept Srila Govinda Maharaja as his successor in every way, not just as the next Acharya of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math.

      You may also have been told by your snake-like friends that Srila Govinda Maharaja agreed with the idea that one could accept Srila Sridhara Maharaja as his siksha guru while ignoring his (Govinda Maharaja’s) siksha. Srila Govinda Maharaja did not accept this, as will be glaringly apparent to even the most halfwitted reader of “The One Channel.”

      If I receive no further comments from you, I will assume you have accepted my position. If you reply in a way I find offensive to Srila Govinda Maharaja I will respond appropriately to such an offender.

      As far as your challenge to the veracity of one of my statements:

      You wrote: “Thankfully you have not yet gone so far afield as to concur with Brahma dasa that Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s choice of Srila Govinda Maharaja requires further certification by Brahma dasa and his cohorts before it can be accepted as valid.”

      This is a straw man argument, as I never expressed anything of the sort. Prove it—show where I’ve written that I don’t accept Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s choice of Srila Govinda Maharaja as acharya of SCSM. — brahma dasa on December 13, 2011 – 10:14 PM

      I was indirectly referencing this statement of yours:

      My reply is that a certificate from Srila Govinda Maharaja does no more make you a bona fide acharya than Srila Prabhupada’s letter made Ramesvara, Hansadutta et al. bona fide acharyas. The certificate only gives you a seat in front of the assembly of devotees;— by brahma dasa on November 25, 2011 – 7:22 PM

      I don’t want to anger you, which might cause you to lose sight of the real issues, but I must say it is no wonder you have so many misconceptions when you cannot follow even the most simple dialog.

      In the quotation of mine you refer to, I do not say what you accuse me of saying, namely that you “don’t accept Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s choice of Srila Govinda Maharaja as acharya of SCSM.” Therefore, it is you who is making the “straw man argument.”

      I made no remark whatsoever about either your acceptance or non-acceptance “of Srila Govinda Maharaja as acharya of SCSM.” How could I say anything about that when I did not then know, and still do not know, whether or not you accept Srila Govinda Maharaja as the acharya of SCSM?

      I think what I was actually saying should be clear. You say a “certificate” from one’s predecessor Acharya (such as Srila Govinda Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada) “only gives” one “a seat in front of the assembly of devotees.”

      Ipso facto, the “certificate” given by Srila Govinda Maharaja’s predecessor Acharya (Srila Sridhara Maharaja), in your opinion, “only gives” Srila Govinda Maharaja “a seat in front of the assembly of devotees.”

      Following your line of thought, Srila Govinda Maharaja’s “certificate” from Srila Sridhara Maharaja “no more make[s]” him “a bona fide acharya than Srila Prabhupada’s letter made Ramesvara, Hansadutta et al. bona fide acharyas.”

      The meaning of your words is very clear. It is not the “certificate” that determines whether or not one is an Acharya, it is “the assembly of devotees” who make that determination.

      I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that you thought you had some connection with “the assembly of devotees” who I referred to as your “cohorts.”

      Can you now see why your statement was reasonable justification for me to conclude the following?

      “Srila Sridhara Maharaja’s choice of Srila Govinda Maharaja requires further certification by Brahma dasa and his cohorts before it can be accepted as valid.”

      I reiterate, if I receive no further comments from you, I will assume you have accepted my position. If you reply in a way I find offensive to Srila Govinda Maharaja I will respond appropriately to such an offender.

      The reading selections follow my signature.

      I sincerely pray this finds you thoughtfully reconsidering your previous ideas and in doing so you may get some “inspiration in B.R. Sridhara Maharaja” (quoting you) who said, regarding Srila Govinda Maharaja:

      If anyone loves you, and if anyone loves your son, the one who loves your son will be considered to love you more than those who love you directly and not your son. Do you follow that?

      Yours in the service of the Lord’s devotees,

      Giri Maharaja

      Discussion about Srila Govinda Maharaj with Doctor Asthana
      [from a recording on 29th April, 1987]

      Dr. Asthana: I am a little worried about Srila Govinda Maharaj’s position.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: I have given him, I have empowered him, to do all these things on my behalf: ritvik. I have appointed him to do all spiritual activity on my behalf.

      Dr. Asthana: But this “ritvik” word is misinterpreted by many people.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: They may do so.

      Dr. Asthana: Some do not consider him as a direct successor; they consider him only as a ritvik.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: More than ritvik.

      Dr. Asthana: Eh?

      Srila Guru Maharaj: More than ritvik. Whatever it may be, I am giving power. Just as “yauva-raja”. When the King installs his son as King and retires himself, what will be the result? As Dasarath wanted to do with Ramachandra. The King gives all the authority of a king to the son and retires to go to the jungle although he is living with full power and glory.

      Dr. Asthana: Many people I have talked to do not consider the ritvik to be the direct Guru. They say the ritvik is ritvik.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: ritvik is ritvik, but if such transfer of power is done then what harm? For those that have got no sraddha, they may go away. They may not accept. I do not care. I don’t accept them.

      Dr. Asthana: Does ritvik mean the direct successor?

      Srila Guru Maharaj: ritvik means the representative. It may be temporary or it may be permanent. It may be partial or it may be full, as empowerment is there.

      Dr. Asthana: Is the empowerment to Govinda Maharaj now temporary or permanent?

      Srila Guru Maharaj: Permanent. Wholesale—both property and the function—transferred. If anyone has no recognition of this opinion of mine, I do not want them to live in the Mission. I drag them out.

      Dr. Asthana: But can they operate from outside and still operate as a part and parcel of you?

      Srila Guru Maharaj: As a revolt. That is revolt—without sanction—anyone can do. I have deserted them. But they may do anything and everything as they wish and reap the results far from the spiritual world, from God. Unlawful.

      Power may be extended and withdrawn also—I want to withdraw myself from them. Those that won’t have faith in my decision, I withdraw from them. It is not a fashion but a question of faith. If they have no such faith in me, I withdraw myself from them.

      Dr. Asthana: Some devotees may consider, “That power {of ritvik} was given to me in 1982 or ’84, and he got that power in ’86 so I am more senior.”

      Srila Guru Maharaj: No position of seniority. No position of senior. That only seniority will be considered as the qualification—no.

      Dr. Asthana: I was thinking of sending all the senior devotees a letter trying to make this thing clear so that later on no complication like that comes up because at that time we will be very insecure when other types of interpretation start.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: According to their faith—what to think? What to say? Those that do not obey me after my departure means automatically they will be left by me. Only it is a transaction of faith. No right but faith. If no faith in my word, they are automatically rejected.

      Dr. Asthana: Some people have no particular obligation of faith to anyone. They go to many persons to gather something. They are just interested in knowledge and position.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: We have no concern with them. We hate them. We hate them: we don’t think that they have any religious line in life.

      In a very crude position maybe there will be some ­collecting {knowledge} here and there when one cannot understand who is who.

      Dr. Asthana: They are just like an encyclopedia.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: They are not fit {to see} that God is coming to him through whom.

      If I am sincere in my search for God then God also will come to me from His side and, where we meet, he should be considered the Guru. Guru means representative of God Himself.

      Dr. Asthana: Yes, I fully agree with it. There are many traps and loopholes in these type of things, Maharaj, and some will play on this their whole life. They will think out how to manipulate the situation.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: The importance of life—life-giving and {life-} taking is not so important to them.
      {short blank section in tape}

      Srila Guru Maharaj: Govinda Maharaj has told some of them, “No, you are a disciple of Guru Maharaj, and I am your Godbrother.”

      Dr. Asthana: He can leave that instruction and give new instruction. Or we can call the devotees here and ask you to tell them.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: You may classify them into two {my disciples and Govinda Maharaj’s disciples}. There are my disciples also, and if what they do Govinda Maharaj does not accept, then they will be rejected.

      Dr. Asthana: Although I have taken both initiations from you, under your instructions I am taking all instructions also from Govinda Maharaj. I am considering Govinda Maharaj as Siksa-Guru.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: Yes, Siksa-Guru.

      Dr. Asthana: So, they {the new initiates} should all consider him as Diksa-Guru. But I know that some people can twist each matter to their convenience and ultimately put {down} Govinda Maharaj.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: The ambitious party and those who want name and fame rather than the substance itself.

      Dr. Asthana: I want that you make it absolutely clear once again. They will not oppose you and it will be beneficial.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: I have told on many occasions that “If you cannot take from Govinda Maharaj and accept him as Guru, you are to go away.”

      Dr. Asthana: Is it advisable to write letters to all the people saying that whoever has taken initiation from Srila Govinda Maharaj will be considered as a direct disciple of Srila Govinda Maharaj?

      Srila Guru Maharaj: Not to create havoc now. What will be—after me.

      [Srila Govinda Maharaj comes and joins the conversation]

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: They are respecting me, no doubt, but I am thinking that everyone is Srila Guru Maharaj’s disciple. And that is good for me. But what you are saying, that also has some right.

      Dr. Asthana: But Srila Guru Maharaj has made you the successor to run this Math.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: Yes, that is correct—

      Dr. Asthana: So how will this Math run? Once Srila Guru Maharaj disappears they will all go away, then what will you do alone? You will run the whole thing alone?

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: Not alone.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: Whoever will support him, he will run the Math with them.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: I am with my Godbrothers. I am not alone.

      Dr. Asthana: This is why I’m saying, you have to have a certain number who you can consider now as your disciples.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: If anybody wants to take initiation from me, that is another thing, but everyone is coming from outside and they are asking for initiation from Srila Guru Maharaj and I am officiating by way of giving initiation on behalf of Srila Guru Maharaj. This is the position at present.

      Dr. Asthana: So how to stop this position?

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: Yes, we can stop it immediately that is no problem. The problem is that they have some special regard and respect for Srila Guru Maharaj.

      Dr. Asthana: I may have special regard and respect for Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, but that does not mean that I can ask Srila Guru Maharaj to give me initiation on behalf of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: That is not applicable in this case.

      Dr. Asthana: Yes. I may have some special regard for Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur, but it is not that I can come to Srila Guru Maharaj and say, “Give me initiation on behalf of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur.”

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: No. You are to think this: they have a special regard for Srila Guru Maharaj therefore they are coming here. They are not coming for me.

      Dr. Asthana: If they are not coming for you, they should not come here.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: That is your desire maybe.

      Dr. Asthana: I wish for Srila Guru Maharaj to express his desire. I feel that Srila Guru Maharaj should make this absolutely clear.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: Srila Guru Maharaj said that those who cannot respect Govinda Maharaj, they cannot stay in this Math.

      If Srila Guru Maharaj will say, “If anyone wants to take initiation from me, then he must take initiation from Govinda Maharaj and that is enough for him {the devotee}.” This statement is a correct statement as per your idea.

      Dr. Asthana: My idea is that Srila Guru Maharaj has stopped giving any initiations and anyone who wants to accept the disciplic succession of Srila Guru Maharaj should now come to Srila Govinda Maharaj. And all the grace of Srila Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj will come more if you worship Srila Govinda Maharaj than if you try to worship Srila Sridhar Maharaj directly. It is like one trying to worship Krsna directly and another trying to worship Krsna through Radharani. I do not have any confusion.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: Now please stop.

      Dr. Asthana: There may be some chaos and confusion, so, Srila Guru Maharaj, please make this clear.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: We do not want any quantity, but quality.

      Dr. Asthana: I am insisting upon this because I know what is going to happen later on.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: The seed of initiation is only sraddha. Sraddha is the only seed for initiation. They have sraddha to Guru Maharaj—full faith—then they are coming here. Therefore it is very difficult to transfer them to another person. Later we can settle. Now Srila Guru Maharaj wants to {stop}.

      Dr. Asthana: If they want to be Srila Sridhar Maharaj’s direct disciple, it is not good for them. Now they should go to Srila Govinda Maharaj. Therefore they should accept this decision.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: Srila Guru Maharaj told it before.

      Dr. Asthana: I have more mercy from Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur because I am a disciple of Srila Sridhar Maharaj. I have more mercy from him than a direct connection with Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur, because I have accepted his disciple as my Guru. It is the same way in your case, otherwise how will the disciplic succession run?

      Srila Guru Maharaj: Parvvati Devi asked Siva, “Who is the highest lord to be served?” Siva replied, “Narayana.” aradhananam sarvvesam visnor aradhanam param. Then Parvvati Devi was a little mortified to think, “I am not serving Narayana.”

      Tasmat parataram devi tadiyanam samarchchanam
      —this next line came from Siva, meaning, “Those who serve the servants of Narayana are greater devotees than those who serve Narayana directly.”

      This is because they serve both of them.

      Do you follow?

      Dr. Asthana: I don’t understand the Sanskrit.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: If anyone loves you, and if anyone loves your son, the one who loves your son will be considered to love you more than those who love you directly and not your son. Do you follow that?

      Dr. Asthana: Yes, I follow.

      Srila Guru Maharaj: It is like that. Siva said, aradhananam sarvvesam visnor aradhanam param—“Of all the worshippers, the worshippers of Visnu are the highest.” Tasmat parataram devi tadiyanam samarchchanam—“And even it is the case that those who worship the servants of Visnu—they are higher worshippers of Visnu.”

      Hearing this, Parvvati Devi was very much satisfied to think, “I am serving the servant of Visnu, my Lord, Siva.”

      {There is an English expression} “If you love me, love my dog.”…………etc.

      Srila Guru Maharaj {to Srila Govinda Maharaj}: Sometimes I consider you more than myself, but it is rare for me to find this in anyone else.

      Srila Govinda Maharaj: You consider me more than Your Divine Grace?

      Srila Guru Maharaj: Yes, in many circumstances. On many occasions I feel your suggestions are novel and valuable to me. But I don’t easily find this in others. Before, I sometimes felt it in Vasudev Prabhu. But the way I sometimes consider you more efficient than myself—I cannot find this in any of my disciples nor even my Godbrothers

      From Affectionate Guidance

      The one Channel of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math
      by: His Divine Grace Srila Bhakti Sundar Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaj

      I received a letter describing a society that is being formed by mixing together so many Vaisnava groups. I can clearly say that if the society is made in the way desribed, it is against the principle of Srila Guru Maharaj. It was to avoid this very thing that Srila Guru Maharaj made separately Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. He was in the highest position of the whole Vaisnava community, but he never joined with their missions. Srila Guru Maharaj did not want to be deviated from his own vision by any of his Godbrothers or other Gurus, therefore he made Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. Furthermore, Srila Saraswati Thakur gave the charge of the Rupanuga-sampradaya to Srila Guru Maharaj – it is clear and everyone knows it.
      So many stalwart Vaisnavas made big societies and invited Srila Guru Maharaj to be their President. For the time being in some cases he accepted and told them. “If it will help to bring harmony to your society then you can use my name,” but he himself never went back there.

      Srila Guru Maharaj gave very clear directives for his sampradaya saying, “Who wants to follow me and my directives, he can come to Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math and follow Govinda Maharaj as my successor.” He gave very clear directives on many occasions and in many ways – and everyone knows it.

      I do not want to create any chaos or disturbance in our community. Whatever qualification and position I have was all given by Srila Guru Maharaj for his service, and I shall try to maintain that.

      What is the meaning of ‘preceptorial line?’ This word ‘preceptorial’ means that it must be in one channel, not several channels. The Ganges is not flowing within several channels – it is flowing through one channel, and who wants Ganges water he must come to that channel. When a channel leaves the Ganges, that is not Ganges water. The Ganges water is running in the main channel. This is the situation with our preceptorial line.

      Charge given

      Srila Guru Maharaj told the devotees clearly that he could not continue holding the charge of the preceptorial line, therefore he is giving that charge to Govinda Maharaj. And I am trying as much as is possible by me. I do not want to disturb anyone, or anyone’s mission, but whoever is a sincere seeker coming to me, and whoever is my friend in the line of Srila Guru Maharaj, I want their association and I want to continue with them. I want to practise my service with them. I do not want to make a hodge-podge, therefore I avoid any proposal that is not in an exclusive way to Srila Guru Maharaj.

      I want to express the truth clearly: I do not want to disturb anyone’s mood, therefore if anyone comes with another proposal I give some excuse. But actually that excuse is not the reason, rather I do not want to mix with the mood of others. Someone is giving sahajiya-sankirttan in their math, but it is not possible for me to do like this in Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. That is the exclusiveness of Srila Guru Maharaj in his service to the Rupanuga-sampradaya, and I cannot break it. I must follow the instructions of Srila Guru Maharaj, and that is my opinion. Another Acharyya gave initiation to disciples of Srila Guru Maharaj and disciples of mine, and gave sannyas to Srila Guru Maharaj’s disciples, but by doing so that sannyasi diverted them to his own sampradaya. I have no problem for that, but I cannot consider them as our sampradaya’s members – it is very clear. ‘It is very clear’ means that Srila Guru Maharaj said, “I have previously given to him (Govinda Maharaj) the charge of the Math and now I am giving him the full responsibility of giving Harinam, diksa, sannyas, etc., as an Acharyya of this Math on behalf of myself.” That charge he gave to me, and those that will not follow the instructions of Srila Guru Maharaj, who cannot keep faith with him – they are no doubt glorifying Srila Guru Maharaj in many ways, saying “Srila Guru Maharaj was so intelligent, he was such a great Vaisnava, Guru Maharaj was siddha-mahapurusa, Guru Maharaj was this, Guru Maharaj was that” – but if it is their conception that Srila Guru Maharaj has done so much wrong in appointing me, then in which way are they honouring him?

      They are saying, “Guru Maharaj is siddha-purusa, he is very intelligent, this, that, this, that,” and telling that Guru Maharaj is supreme, but I cannot agree that his opinion is not supreme. This opinion and his desire stood continuously from 1947 to 1988 and he did not change his mood in any way.

      And why did Srila Guru Maharaj keep his faith to me? And why not to any of the hundreds of devotees who have come here, some of whom were very qualified with graduation, Master Degrees, etc., even though I have always been very unqualified in that way?

      Lastly he made his ‘Last Will and Testament’ but before that he made three or four wills, and there always he named, “This person will be my successor.”

      “If he will not come back from his position of grhastha you must wait five years, but in the meantime do not make anyone else as Guru in Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. This chair must be kept vacant five years for him.” I came across this expression in his Will a few days ago.

      Clear Instruction

      “The chair will be vacant for five years, but none will sit in this chair except Govinda Maharaj.” That type of faith he had in me. He said, “It is my desire. Who cannot respect it, who cannot follow it, who cannot keep faith with this, he must get out from my Math.” “I shall drag them out.” These are his own words. Here is no haziness. It is all clear instruction for his devotees, for his followers, for his friends, for the newcomers – everything he very clearly has done. Seeing the activities of others we can now understand something of the reason why Srila Guru Maharaj did this.

      Now there is a section who are always saying “Guru Maharaj is great. He is great. He is great. “But his desire they cannot follow, so what is their faith to their Guru.

      Srila Guru Maharaj commented, “I do not want to go into the jungle of Acharyyas, rather I will keep myself to myself, maybe in a thatched house, but that must be very clean and very quiet.” And for that he made Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math.

      Not only that but he did not want to make many Maths, that was his desire. But I was very enthusiastic to do something for the devotees and he mercifully gave me the instruction, “Yes, you can do one in Calcutta as the devotees’ transit station, and one you can do in Puri and one in Vrndavan.” That is: Puri, Vrndavan, and Nabadwip, and, “Don’t make many Maths,” that was Srila Guru Maharaj’s instruction.

      It was not his full desire that I make many Maths, but looking after the eagerness of the devotees, he accepted this, and in his lifetime we have done it, so we have no problem. But now others are making a hodge-podge kind of society, and I am well aware of it.

      My preaching in the West is going in a very happy way. Who has seen my preaching style in the West he will immediately understand that our preaching mission will grow more and more if I go there and preach, and they are afraid of that. This became clear to me some time ago in Vrndavan.

      However, I am keeping a very clear position with all other missionary activities: I am a servitor of Srila Guru Maharaj, and I am engaging in such service that comes to me. And if anyone wishes to join with me or the sampradaya in that same exclusive way, we will invite them, “Please come and do seva.”

      If any ISKCON servitor who hasn’t taken initiation comes to me and asks if he can do service in ISKCON, I say, “Yes you can do. If you want to take initiation from me I have no objection, but you are serving ISKCON, so serve ISKCON. If they do not abuse me, you can stay there.”

      Only one line

      I am a disciple of Srila Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj, and I have only one line: that is service to Srila Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj, and I am continuing that preceptorial line. I am respecting all the Vaisnavas, and why will I not do so? Offence to the Vaisnava is also Nama-aparadha. I cannot do Nama-aparadha. Offence to the Vaisnava is Nama-aparadha, that I know clearly.

      I am very insignificant and my Mission is very small, but I shall try to do the seva of the sincere seekers as is the order of my Sri Gurudeva, and I am trying as much as is possible by me – that is my final conclusion.

      Meanwhile others are trying to take my friends, but I am tolerating everything. My mood is to tolerate, because without tolerating, nothing can be achieved. You must tolerate and give honour to others. I am taking everyone’s feet dust on my head and I am feeling grateful to get their feet-dust.

      Exclusive Example

      I never went to any other Math without any service to Srila Guru Maharaj. Sripad Madhusudan Maharaj would come and serve Srila Guru Maharaj every year, but without my service to Guru Maharaj I never went to his Math either. Katwa, the place where Mahaprabhu took sannyas, is just 28 miles from here, but I never went there in thirty years. I can go to see, “Oh, this is the very auspicious place where Mahaprabhu took sannyasa. Here is Mahaprabhu’s Deity and here are many reminders of Mahaprabhu’s sannyas-lila.” But leaving my service I never went there. And that wasn’t one year or two or three years, but for thirty years I did not go to Katwa. I am passing Katwa station by train, but not getting down.

      Similarly in Kalna, in twenty years I never went to see that place even though Mahaprabh is living there. It is just four stops down on the train. Nitai-Gour are there at Gauridas Pandit’s house. But when a legal case came, at that time I went there every fifteen days or sometimes every seven days, and on one day only, by the desire of Srila Guru Maharaj I went to see Gauridas Pandita’s Nitai-Gaur and pay my dandavats. At that time the government wanted to take the whole Math and property of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, and at that time myself and Haricharan Prabhu went there in order to resist the takeover. By the grace of Srila Guru Maharaj we were succesful.

      That is my mood to Srila Guru Maharaj, and who will follow that, I believe he must be benefitted, for that is the real exclusive devotional line.

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