“It is verified.” by Swami B. K. Giri

My dandavats,

I have sometimes made the point that disciples should not be overly interested in their param guru(s), a disciple’s connection is with his immediate guru.
While doing some reading this morning I found confirmation of that point:

        A disciple’s connection is with his immediate guru, not a param guru.

Morning Walk—February 3, 1976, Māyāpura

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I remember one time Kārttikeya Mahārāja was chanting to a picture of Bhaktisiddhānta. You chastised him and said, “What is your connection with Bhaktisiddhānta? Your connection is with me.”

Prabhupāda: Who said?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You did.

Sudāmā: You did. I remember.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When Kārttikeya Mahārāja was chanting to your guru mahārāja’s picture, you said, “How you can connect with him? Your connection is with me.” (end)

As Srila Govinda Maharaja said “My father is my father.”

Srila Govinda Maharaja “Hapaniya Morning Lecture (12/26/93)”


Disciple not will think, “My guru is small guru and Swami Maharaja is big guru.” That is offense to guru.

Disciple must think, “My guru is the supreme.” And, there, in the [parampara], my guru’s guru. My father is my father. It is very easy thing to understand. My grandfather may be a king. But, my father is my father. He’s my father.

My relationship with my father is very close. But blood relation with my grandfather. Grandfather my relative. And my father is my father, he is not relative.

And guru, his position, always supreme position. Guru Maharaja sometimes joking [sounds like] “chota guru chota hamsa, para guru paramahamsa” [“little guru, little mantra, big guru, big mantra” (chota guru, chota mantra, boro guru, boro mantra)]

Small guru, small mantram. And, big guru, big mantram, it is not. Joking, Guru Maharaja, that “chota guru chota hamsa, para guru paramahamsa”, it is not fact.

Guru means representative. Guru means incarnation of Krishna. And first test, that is the darshan, that is the vision of devotee, disciple.

And what does ISKCON teach? It seems to be that the param guru, Srila Prabhupada, is everything. He is the big guru. And his disciple, your guru, he is a small guru. So, pray to the big guru, the guru of all, Srila Prabhupada for your salvation.

If my understanding is correct, and I believe it is, ISKCON has spoiled everything with this foolishness. And the disease has spread far and wide.

Swami B.K. Giri