“Vyaso vetti na vetti va” Vyasadeva may know the meaning of the Vedas, or he may not know Their meaning.

The following is an email correspondence concerning the subject –

“Books locked up?”

12/13/17

Dandavats.

The email I just sent responding to information on sending books to Croatia makes me think Acharya Maharaja & company no longer have access to all the books Madhusudana Maharaja kept locked up for so many years demanding full retail price, regardless of the quantity ordered.

Since anti-party 3 (AP3) (see footnote below signature) has control of the (Nabadwipa) Math, I expect they also have control of all the books stored there.

Maybe they would sell us large quantities at a reduced price?

But would we trust them to actually send us the books we ordered/paid for???

Swami B.K. Giri

AP3 is the party led by Sripadas Nandana Maharaja & Chaitanya Giri Maharaja, sannyasis of Srila Puri Maharaja’s sampradaya who, at last count, had control of the Navadwipa SCS Math. By comparison, AP1 would be Acharya Maharaja’s party & those who supported his revolt against Srila Govinda Maharaja’s Will by imposing their concoction of one acharya for the worldwide Mission as opposed to the six selected by Srila Gurudeva. AP2 is comprised of those (Paramahamsa Maharaja, Prabhu Ranjit, etc.) who opposed Srila Gurudeva’s Will by actively resisting Gurudeva’s desire to install Sripada Acharya Maharaja as his successor for the Navadwipa Math and the “Indian group” of Maths.
Instead of spiritual successions, as envisioned by Srila Govinda Maharaja, most of SCSM seems to be under the guidance and control of a number of successions which, for the sake of convenience, I have identified as AP’s: AP1, AP2, and so forth.

Re- Books locked up?

12/14/17

Dandavats Sripada Giri Maharaja,

A lot of those books are probably unreadable by now, what with the Bengali climate although some were cellophane wrapped and PJ had a hard case which would offer some protection.

I remember shipping at least half the quantity of any books printed by Sripada Sagar Maharaja to Nabadwipa, usually around 2500 as he didn’t like to print anything less than 5000.

Sermons 1 and 2, Bhagavad Gita English and Bengali, Prapanna Jivanamrtam, Brahma Samhita and others?

I wonder how many of those were distributed and how many were lost due to the foolishness of a certain devotee/s.

I saw first hand how much blood, sweat and tears went into producing those books.
It’s sad that they may be wasted.

It must be divine will? Personally I wouldn’t know.
Maybe you know.

All is okay here.

Uddharan dasa

“Re- Books locked up?”

12/23/17

Dear Sriman Uddharan dasa,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

A lot of those books are probably unreadable by now, what with the Bengali climate although some were cellophane wrapped and PJ had a hard case which would offer some protection.

The cellophane wrapping does a very good job of protecting books, so long as they are individually wrapped. Many of the books I bought from Ananta Printing are wrapped in groups of five and suffer from the problem of sticking together, as I will describe below.

The books printed in the West hold up surprisingly well. When I was last in Navadwipa in 2010 (now almost 8 years ago) “Search for Sri Krishna”, printed by Dayadhara Gauranaga dasa in 1988, was still in fairly decent shape. The outer covers are printed with ink & then a varnish coating is applied. The heat, moisture & pressure from the books being pushed together & on top of one another tend to cause this varnish on the outer covers to stick to each other. When one pulls the books apart ink and even parts of the paper stock tend to pull off with the varnish.

The Bengali books don’t have that problem because they are mostly hard cover, without any paper cover printed by the four color, plus varnish, technique I just described.

All the books are attacked by some insect that eats the paper. The books printed in India, on what must be a lesser quality paper (not acid free), suffer a lot more from this insect damage, which can begin to occur in as little as five years or so after entering storage.

I remember shipping at least half the quantity of any books printed by Sripada Sagar Maharaja to Nabadwipa, usually around 2500 as he didn’t like to print anything less than 5000.

Good for him. He showed many good qualities. Those are some of them.

Sermons 1 and 2, Bhagavad Gita English and Bengali, Prapanna Jivanamrtam, Brahma Samhita and others?

I wonder how many of those were distributed and how many were lost due to the foolishness of a certain devotee/s.

Dayadhara printed 5,000 SSK’s in 1988. Of those he gave to the Math (Nabadwipa), at least several hundred were still there 20 years later. The reason is this: unlike ISKCON, our group, other than myself in the early to mid ’80’s, never made any concerted effort to distribute books. Srila Prabhupada pushed us to distribute his books; Srila Sridhara Maharaja and Srila Govinda Maharaja were passive when it came to distributing books, although they encouraged their printing to a certain extent.

Devotees like Sagara Maharaja showed an interest in printing books, and did so. Good for them. But then they seemed to think the books would sell themselves. Copies of “The Hidden Treasure” printed in 1985 were still available (unsold) in 2006 when the next edition was printed.

Contrast this with the following: I have 1978 editions of many cantos of (Srila Prabhupada’s) Bhagavatam (published by the BBT). By that year (1978) 990,000 total copies (in all languages) had been printed of the first Canto Part I. I am reasonably sure they had all been distributed by sometime in the early 80’s. The 1978 printing order for that one book was 500,000 copies. In total, by ‘78 almost a million total copies of that one book had been printed and there were not nearly as many of those printed and distributed as Bhagavad-gita As It Is. What to speak of the other 30 or so volumes of SB, seventeen volumes of Chaitanya-charitamrta, and millions upon millions of other small books and BTG’s.

Whenever I had the chance to encourage “our” devotees to distribute books, I did so, but it was always met by resistance from leaders like BSG & Sagara Maharaja whose need for “collection” outweighed the need for distribution. Sadly, I succumbed somewhat to the same mentality. Still, I pushed the few “brahmacharis” I’ve had here to go out on book distribution. They gave it a go, but just weren’t up to it.

In my experience, we literally could not pay any of our devotees to distribute books.

Even Srimati Divya Shakti Devi, a very pushing, outgoing personality, who collected huge amounts of money for us during the short time she was here, gave up when it came to distributing books. I urged her again and again to do so, even if it just meant handing a book to someone who had already given a donation. She could not, or would not do it. And she used to be one of the best book distributors in ISKCON. She told me she didn’t like to carry them around with her and they slowed her down.

It is not a comfortable thing for me to say, but objectively speaking, it is true, that up ’til now, SCSM is where book distribution goes to die. If I had the power to change that I would. So far, I don’t.

I saw first hand how much blood, sweat and tears went into producing those books.
It’s sad that they may be wasted.

Nothing is wasted, although it certainly appears to be so. In the mundane world such effort, unfulfilled, would be a great waste of one’s human life. But it is not true for the efforts of devotees. One percent of one’s energy expended for the seva of guru and Krishna is never lost. It inures to one’s eternal benefit and it accumulates as each bit of seva is performed.

It is very sad to see our books rotting in the storehouse. We are also a victim of that disease, as we have many in our attic, stored as hidden treasures waiting to be utilized by some fortunate souls.

But these are the eternal paraphernalia of our Lord. Even if they disappear from our vision, they do not die. They are sometimes manifest and sometimes un-manifest, appearing and disappearing according to the Divine Will. As Their caretakers we will be the losers if we do not care for Them properly. But at the same time, They are not dependent upon us for Their care. It is we who are dependent upon Them for Their Divine Grace.

It must be divine will? Personally I wouldn’t know.
Maybe you know.

What I know I have tried to explain above.

Vyaso vetti na vetti va. Vyasadeva may know the meaning of the Vedas, or he may not know Their meaning.

Srila Sridhara Maharaja – 

Vyaso vetti na vetti va. Whatever He wants to do, that is done. Shukadeva was the great exponent of Bhagavatam, but it is not found that he’s in the highest position of Krsna-lila, what he’s delivering through his mouth through tongue. So many high things have been transmitted through his tongue, but he may not have his stand in that plane. We don’t find that Shukadeva has got his permanent position in Radha-Krsna lila in madhurya-rasa in a particular sakhi or so.

And also we find from Caitanya-Bhägavata when Mahaprabhu asked Srivasa Pandita, “What type of devotee you think about Advaita Prabhu, My Advaita, My Nara?”

Srivasa Pandita, “Like Prahlada and Shuka.”

Mahaprabhu was excited, “Eh, what do you say? The Shuka and Prahlada, they’re a child of the primary school, the student. You compare My Nara, My Advaita who has got connection with the high lila of Mine, only compared to Shuka and Prahlada.” But what Shukadeva has given to us through his mouth that is unfathomable. He’s delivering acunta bheda sa? he’s going on, things are coming through him, flowing in a natural way. What he has got delivered through his nectarine tongue that has no comparison in the world anywhere. But still he’s considered in that way, from the general position of his previous consideration, Shukadeva.

yada more vikra visvartam?

After giving delivery to all these things he went away, along with the beggars, to nowhere. He did not care to meet Vyasadeva, his Guru, father and Guru, and his Guru Narada, they’re in the meeting, he did not care for that. He choose to be unseen. He came from unseen and entered into it again, untraceable, such solitary life, but there was his param guru, he did not care. Hare Krsna. So, he was selected as a machine, loudspeaker, something like that. Inspiration came only to help, that Bhagavata is above Vedanta, above jnana. The jnanis, yogis, they formed the major portion of the audience, so Shukadeva was necessary.

suka maha manta ……………………..?

to them, to the audience at large, and it was put that Bhagavata is more than this non-differentiationist, the visheshavada, Shukadeva was necessary. Shukadeva was necessary. That must come from him, then those fellows will have some regard. Otherwise they won’t care, ‘Oh, we know all these things, from Padma-Purana, Brahma-vaivarta-Purana, we have seen all those things. What more is there?’ But when coloured by the brahma-jnana of Shukadeva Goswami it was delivered, with rapt attention they gave their hearing, ears, to Bhagavatam. So,

parinisthito pi nairgunye, uttamah-sloka-lilaya
grhita-ceta rajarse, akhyanam yad adhitavan,
[tad aham te bhidhasyami, maha-paurusiko bhavan
yasya sraddadhatam asu, syan mukunde matih sati]

[“O saintly King, I was certainly situated perfectly in transcendence, yet I was still attracted by the delineation of the pastimes of the Lord, who is described by enlightened verses.” – “That very Srimad-Bhägavatam I shall recite before you because you are the most sincere devotee of Lord Krsna. One who gives full attention and respect to hearing Srimad-Bhägavatam achieves unflinching faith in the Supreme Lord, the giver of salvation.”] [Srimad-Bhägavatam, 2.1.9-10]

Gaura Hari bol! Nitai Caitanya.

Devotee: Sutadeva Goswami was also brahmavadi?

Srila B.R. Sridhara Swami: Suta? Not so much, he had not such position, a big position in the society, only his father he was entrusted by Vedavyasa, Vyasadeva, with the Purana, Purana section was given to his father. He read the Puranas and he was expert in the explanation of the Purana, his father. But it is not found that he had any particular creed, he was included in any particular creed, that of brahma-yajna or yoga or anything else, but Purana. But his special characteristic was as srutidara, once heard, pressed, he could keep it in memory, (ugra srava?) Whatever he heard he did not forget that, that was his qualification. He attentively heard, kept the whole thing within him, and again he vomited the whole thing there.

—81.09.20

And, to something I wrote previously, surmising that if Vrndavana dasa Thakura is the Vyasa of Chaitanya lila, then Krishna dasa is the Shukadeva, that is confirmed in the same conversation as the above:

Devotee: Maharaja, in Caitanya lila, who is Shukadeva Goswami in Caitanya lila?

Srilla B.R. Sridhara Swami: The parsadas have said Kaviraja Goswami. But he’s of another type.

Devotee: Ha, ha, ha.

Srila B.R. Sridhara Swami: Just as Arjuna, Ramananda is combined of Arjuna and Visakha sakhi. So Kaviraja Goswami is Kasturi Manjari there and also Shukadeva’s work. Shukadeva’s speciality was the rasa and philosophy, ontology and poetry, of course, spiritual, combined. And in Kaviraja Goswami we find those two, ontology, tattva-vicara, philosophy, as well as poetry, the alankara, the (cabwa?) rasa……. both…
caritamrita. In Caitanya-Bhagavatam rasa may be there of some order but no ontological aspect represented there about Caitanya. So ontology as well as rasa, that we find in Caitanya-caritamrita and Bhagavatam. Rupa Goswami also we find rasa and philosophy, (haicy?) and philosophy, ontology.

I pray this finds you well in all respects.

Yours,

Swami B.K. Giri